First pistol?

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Looking to buy something for self defense. In case of extreme emergencies only. I live in a big city where if something unexpected like riots/earthquake occurred, I could see the remote possibility of neededing a firearm for self defense. My GF is creeped out by guns however (makes sense since they kill people easily), so this would be something kept in a locked box. Not looking to defend against break ins, looking for more of an extreme situation side arm. Not looking to spend a lot, I have shot glocks a few times in the past, found them to be not super accurate but easy to use.

Can anyone recommend anything, and let me know how much I should expect to pay? Thanks!

-Freq
 
My first, and for a long time only, handgun after much research was a Ruger GP100. 4" barrel .357 (you can save money by practicing with .38s -not that I recommend that). Considered the "Chevy truck" of handguns- sturdy, reliable and will get the job done. Believe it or not, it has turned out to be my (formerly gunshy) wife's favorite to shoot- with .357s!

If you need to save money, look at a Taurus equivalent.
 
Glock 17 for the handgun but it sounds like a shotgun might be more useful in the situation you describe. I'm looking hard at a Saiga 12.
 
check out FNH's FNP or FNX line, mine has been 100% reliable thus far. only 700 rounds so far but not one malfunction.

you can pick up a used one for around 3-4 hundred.

i paid 560 out the door for mine but i have heard of people getting new ones for 350 on clearance (fnp-9)
 
My first, and for a long time only, handgun after much research was a Ruger GP100. 4" barrel .357 (you can save money by practicing with .38s -not that I recommend that). Considered the "Chevy truck" of handguns- sturdy, reliable and will get the job done. Believe it or not, it has turned out to be my (formerly gunshy) wife's favorite to shoot- with .357s!

If you need to save money, look at a Taurus equivalent.

Lots of folks recommend a 4" .357 Magnum. That was my first handgun as well. However, I went with the "Ford truck" of handguns, the S&W 686. Sturdy, reliable and will get the job done. :p

You can shoot light .38 loads. Or you can put some of these in there. :eek:

bear-loads.jpg
 
My first pistol was a Dan and Wesson .44 magnum. Not the gun I would recommend for what you are describing, but I would recommend a revolver. If you are in an extreme situation the last thing you want is for your gun to jam. Revolvers don't jam and can take a beating. Get yourself a Ruger .38 and a Mossberg 500 and you are good to go.
 
I think for what you are describing, an automatic pistol might not be the most ideal. A well made revolver will be a tank, and in an anything goes situation it will not fail you. I don't own one, but I WANT one. I currently have an XD .45 for my sidearm, but I also have a Mossberg 590 12 gauge pump, and that is my "worst case scenario" insurance policy.

For an extreme situation, the simpler the better. The less moving parts, IMO, the more reliable the mechanics. A good semi auto handgun is definitely fun though, and will work in most self defense situations.
 
My GF is creeped out by guns however (makes sense since they kill people easily), so this would be something kept in a locked box.

How exactly do guns kill people easily? I've never heard a report of a gun killing anyone. People kill people, not guns.

I wouldn't keep my defensive gun locked up. (I don't have kids.) I prefer to have immediate access to my firearms. Do you really want to fiddle around with a locked box when you hear a noise in the middle of the night?

I'd suggest looking for a used Glock. The G17, G19, G22 and G23 are my favorites.
 
makes sense since they (guns) kill people easily

With all due respect, if this is really your attitude, buy some pepper spray and call it good.

GUNS can't do squat. Like any other tool, how they are used depends on who picks them up. If you can't understand that, don't buy one.
 
How exactly do guns kill people easily? I've never heard a report of a gun killing anyone. People kill people, not guns.
Actually, the shock and blood-loss from a bullet plowing into tissue and/or bone is what kills people.
 
What you need to do is get something that fits you---asking somebody else what gun you need is like asking them which girl you should marry; they're not you, so they don't know.

You need to be able to comfortably and easily reach all controls without having to contort your hand in fifty different directions. Pick the gun up, get it in shooting position and then squeeze it hard for ten seconds. If there are corners, contours or sharp spots that bother your hand, they're going to bother you when you're shooting it. Keep it clean and oiled. Yes, revolvers are reliable and don't rely on recoil or gas pressure to function so they can have some advantage for a beginner, but a good quality auto--clean and lubricated, shooting good quality ammunition--is a reliable firearm. And yes, a revolver is simpler to learn, but we're not talking addition/subtraction versus calculus here. The VAST majority of military and LEOs arrive with little or no firearms experience, and have learned to use 1911s, Beretta 92s, Smith and Wesson 3rd Gens and a host of other pistols just fine, and in not all that long a time.

Am I arguing against a revolver? No--I have many, many, many and I love them. But buy it if it fits you and YOU are comfortable with it, not because a guru told you to.

As to caliber--the biggest you can shoot well is a general rule of thumb, so stick to it. If a 9mm is your limit, then stick to it, as a 9mm shot well beats the holy hell out of a 357 shot poorly. Bullet size doesn't necessarily reflect shooter comfort, either. Until you get up to 44 magnum and above (or 357s in EXTREMELY lightweight snub-nose revolvers), almost nobody is actually recoil sensitive even though they think they are. Noise/concussion cause people to flinch far more than kick. As such, many will shoot 45 ACP better than 40 S&W, even though in many cases the recoil energy is almost identical. The difference is, the 45 usually isn't breaking the sound barrier, where about half of factory 40 loads are. Sonic boom as soon as it leaves the barrel means more noise, and people start flinching.

I also agree that, if you're not going to carry it, a long gun can be a more effective choice that a handgun anyway, as the learning curve is a bit less sharp (they're inherently easier to learn to use because more of you body is able to help you control them) and you can get into an excellent one like Remington's 870 shotguns or the Browning BPS for much less money than an equivalent-quality handgun.

Last two points:
1)Practice. Twice a year is not practicing--you need to know the gun's function intuitively, you need to be able to get on target with it quickly, and if you have a malfunction you need to be able to clear it in a second.

2)The creeped out girlfriend has to be fixed---if it's going to be in the house, then everything I've mentioned above has to be as true for her as for you. She'll achieve confidence through correct exposure. Get professional instruction--many ranges offer classes taught by certified range masters, so utilize them; a $200 expense that teaches you to do something for a lifetime isn't all that steep. Shooting is no different than sky diving, scuba diving, or driving a car---all activities that are dangerous if done incorrectly, but also activities that damned near any ten year old can master if instructed by someone competent.

Best of luck.
 
I'm glad I never had to deal with a gun shy girlfriend. My girlfriend comes over, lies down on the bed, and I hear "Kimber said hi" as she moves my 1911 from under the pillow.

And I have no idea why you wouldn't want to defend yourself against a break in. Someone obviously didn't care enough to respect your home, why would you expect that person to respect your life?
 
To the OP.

Rather then investing in a gun please invest that money into some classes learning how to properly shoot, handle, and respect a firearm.

Training goes farther then just owning a firearm as anyone can just pickup a gun and shoot it, but few can properly shoot it under stress. You don't just toss a firearm in a safe till things go bad. Your going to want to maintain it and your proficiency with it.

I think that your going to find more guns are "inaccurate" like the glocks as a gun is only as accurate as its shooter. Take time to practice, learn proper grip and stands and things will improve.

I'm not going to get into the debate here but I'm going to say this to you OP, don't make statements like that unless your willing to turn up a ****storm. Yes a gun aids a person in killing someone provided they know what they are doing, but it boils down to a persons intent and level of self control and situation to lead up to that.

If your unsure about a firearm then don't get one, your attitude causes me to agree with the poster who said get pepperspray.

If your determined to get a firearm take into account the area you live, if your in an apartment or condo your going to want to take into account your neighbors. Yes I know it would only be for a SHTF time, but during a riot if your at home you aren't going out to the streets.

A mossberg 500 or Remington's 870 would be a good choice for dependability and price, as for pistols its a personal preference and needs basis.
 
Ruger MK III .22 pistol. Then go to the range and learn how to shoot. After that you can think about what else you want to buy. You'll see and shoot a lot of nice guns at the range in the mean time. Don't worry, you'll keep the Ruger for the rest of your life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_MK_III
 
I've never owned a handgun and never will. Even in combat.
 
I have shot glocks a few times in the past, found them to be not super accurate but easy to use.
-Freq

That sounds like operator malfunction to me. Most good name brand handguns are pretty much as accurate as the shooter. The Glock is a fine weapon and is good for a couple hundred yards. If your up to the task. It goes bang every time you pull the trigger, what more can you ask?

What you need to do is get something that fits you---asking somebody else what gun you need is like asking them which girl you should marry; they're not you, so they don't know.

You need to be able to comfortably and easily reach all controls without having to contort your hand in fifty different directions. Pick the gun up, get it in shooting position and then squeeze it hard for ten seconds. If there are corners, contours or sharp spots that bother your hand, they're going to bother you when you're shooting it. Keep it clean and oiled. Yes, revolvers are reliable and don't rely on recoil or gas pressure to function so they can have some advantage for a beginner, but a good quality auto--clean and lubricated, shooting good quality ammunition--is a reliable firearm. And yes, a revolver is simpler to learn, but we're not talking addition/subtraction versus calculus here. The VAST majority of military and LEOs arrive with little or no firearms experience, and have learned to use 1911s, Beretta 92s, Smith and Wesson 3rd Gens and a host of other pistols just fine, and in not all that long a time.

Am I arguing against a revolver? No--I have many, many, many and I love them. But buy it if it fits you and YOU are comfortable with it, not because a guru told you to.

As to caliber--the biggest you can shoot well is a general rule of thumb, so stick to it. If a 9mm is your limit, then stick to it, as a 9mm shot well beats the holy hell out of a 357 shot poorly. Bullet size doesn't necessarily reflect shooter comfort, either. Until you get up to 44 magnum and above (or 357s in EXTREMELY lightweight snub-nose revolvers), almost nobody is actually recoil sensitive even though they think they are. Noise/concussion cause people to flinch far more than kick. As such, many will shoot 45 ACP better than 40 S&W, even though in many cases the recoil energy is almost identical. The difference is, the 45 usually isn't breaking the sound barrier, where about half of factory 40 loads are. Sonic boom as soon as it leaves the barrel means more noise, and people start flinching.

I also agree that, if you're not going to carry it, a long gun can be a more effective choice that a handgun anyway, as the learning curve is a bit less sharp (they're inherently easier to learn to use because more of you body is able to help you control them) and you can get into an excellent one like Remington's 870 shotguns or the Browning BPS for much less money than an equivalent-quality handgun.

Last two points:
1)Practice. Twice a year is not practicing--you need to know the gun's function intuitively, you need to be able to get on target with it quickly, and if you have a malfunction you need to be able to clear it in a second.

2)The creeped out girlfriend has to be fixed---if it's going to be in the house, then everything I've mentioned above has to be as true for her as for you. She'll achieve confidence through correct exposure. Get professional instruction--many ranges offer classes taught by certified range masters, so utilize them; a $200 expense that teaches you to do something for a lifetime isn't all that steep. Shooting is no different than sky diving, scuba diving, or driving a car---all activities that are dangerous if done incorrectly, but also activities that damned near any ten year old can master if instructed by someone competent.

Best of luck.

Great advice
 
shotgun for home defense

pistol for self defense in the street.

the pistol you will need to figure out for yourself. go out and shoot many, which ever one feels the most comfortable to shoot, take it and call it a day...
 
Can anyone recommend anything, and let me know how much I should expect to pay? Thanks!

-Freq

How much do you WANT to pay? I'd say buy right, buy once, but others will suggest frames made of molded plastic, stuffed with mold injected metal guts. There are so many different lines of thinking when it comes to handguns, people are very opinionated on user interface, ergonomics, caliber, construction, action, etc. I'd look at a SIG P220 or P226, or a Dan Wesson 1911 to get you started. The previous suggestions of the Ruger revolvers and shotguns for home defense are perfectly sensible, as is buying a .22 to learn on. It's nice not to see glock after glock after Springfield XD recommendation in here :D
 
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