Fit & Finish, High Dollar Folders, observations from Knife Show in Phoenix

Wow, I don't think I have any production knives with flaws as bad as that.
Too bad the custom maker couldn't fix his error.
How much did you pay for that piece of craftsmanship?

And yes OP, I've seen some pretty crappy customs coming down the pike lately. Everybody wants to be a custom maker now, talented or not.

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That doesn't change the fact that that the workmanship is subpar does it?

There are a lot of differences between production and custom. Economy of scale is a big one. You mess up while making a knife and have to throw away a blade, maybe two blades, maybe a couple of locksides have to be redone... but you can't charge your customer extra due to YOUR mistakes, wasted time and materials. Add that to the fact that people are constantly sending back your previous one-off customs for service. You haven't seen some of these knives for years or even decades but they are a high priority and must be fixed quickly. All this while tons of people are calling/emailing you about all sorts of crap and you are making calls and writing emails to people for materials.

Compare this to a factory operation. CNC machines run several hours a day churning out mostly identical, indistinguishable parts and a guy checks them for tolerances as they emerge. If some aren't precise they are just thrown away and it is an expense that is factored in. Assemblers take tons of identical parts from a bin and fit them together. If your knife needs repair, an identical part from one of those bins is swapped out for your problematic one. There's a person working at that company whose sole job is to take your email and pass it on to a repairs department, who likewise are tasked with only that one job to do.

When you consider that one person does all the communication, all the repairs, all the assembly, all the base manufacturing, all the acquisition of raw materials - it's a wonder that these knives even get made.

This is no excuse for sloppy craftsmanship, but it is something to think about when comparing minuscule fit and finish details in production knives and in custom knives. Keep in mind that there are still many makers who make sure everything is more or less perfect before it leaves their door.

Also keep in mind that there are TONS of examples of production knives that have poor fit and finish; lemons can and do come out of production makers at every price point, from Kershaw to CRK.
 
That doesn't change the fact that that the workmanship is subpar does it?

Subpar?
Due to a flaw in a process you know nothing about?

I've had production knives with problems too. I just got an umnumzaan back from Idaho today, it had a problem with the detent causing the blades tip to stick out. Now that is a flaw. CRK fixed it, but by your logic, they are pretty subpar too eh?
 
My gosh... You're right!
My knowledge of all things sharp is weak, all because I edited a post!

How I wish to be a time-stamp reading wizard like yourself!
Woe is me...
 
No, you just got caught lying.

Go ahead, dig your hole a little deeper.

Your not too bright are you?
 
There are a lot of differences between production and custom. Economy of scale is a big one. You mess up while making a knife and have to throw away a blade, maybe two blades, maybe a couple of locksides have to be redone... but you can't charge your customer extra due to YOUR mistakes, wasted time and materials. Add that to the fact that people are constantly sending back your previous one-off customs for service. You haven't seen some of these knives for years or even decades but they are a high priority and must be fixed quickly. All this while tons of people are calling/emailing you about all sorts of crap and you are making calls and writing emails to people for materials.

Compare this to a factory operation. CNC machines run several hours a day churning out mostly identical, indistinguishable parts and a guy checks them for tolerances as they emerge. If some aren't precise they are just thrown away and it is an expense that is factored in. Assemblers take tons of identical parts from a bin and fit them together. If your knife needs repair, an identical part from one of those bins is swapped out for your problematic one. There's a person working at that company whose sole job is to take your email and pass it on to a repairs department, who likewise are tasked with only that one job to do.

When you consider that one person does all the communication, all the repairs, all the assembly, all the base manufacturing, all the acquisition of raw materials - it's a wonder that these knives even get made.

This is no excuse for sloppy craftsmanship, but it is something to think about when comparing minuscule fit and finish details in production knives and in custom knives. Keep in mind that there are still many makers who make sure everything is more or less perfect before it leaves their door.

Also keep in mind that there are TONS of examples of production knives that have poor fit and finish; lemons can and do come out of production makers at every price point, from Kershaw to CRK.
I agree with everything you said.
Some people can do it right, and some people can't.
I weed out the ones who can't by not buying their product. A lot of people do though, that's what keeps them in business, for now.
 
Lots of people do art, but that does not make them artists.

My definition of a professional artist, or craftsmen, is the guy or gal who can make enoght money off their art, or craftsment ship to live off their talent.

Anyone can but a view camers, and the supplies to make images. Ansel Adams was just very very good at using a view camera.
 
Show me production equivalent please.













Now that is deserving of the "custom" title. Rainy is a master and not to mention his prices i feel are actually below what they should be given the nuances in his work. Many makers need to look and learn from his example.
 
My definition of a professional artist, or craftsmen, is the guy or gal who can make enoght money off their art, or craftsment ship to live off their talent.

Anyone can but a view camers, and the supplies to make images. Ansel Adams was just very very good at using a view camera.

Does it take a professional to make a custom knife?
 
Show me production equivalent please.










Images say quality, custom work, done be a craftsman who takes pride in their work.




The above images yell at my. Quality, customer out of the box work, done by a very talented crafts-person, who take pride in their work.
 
Does it take a professional to make a custom knife?

Nope some people are weekend worriers, or part timers. But a benchmark, or measurement of quality in most products is someone is willing to pay good money for them. JMHO

Prints are still being made & sold off Ansel Adams Original Negatives, so even after Ansel death print off his negative still fetch a very good price.
 
My only question about the rainy is why is the middle screw on the white scale off center? Im sure its supposed to be that way, but why?
 
For the sake of full disclosure that was a total mistake. Meant to say production. Not used to my ipad yet.

The drop in your attention to detail and the typo it caused is what made it inadvertently hilarious.

Again, back to the topic!
 
My only question about the rainy is why is the middle screw on the white scale off center? Im sure its supposed to be that way, but why?

Possibly because of the leaf spring. If you look at his converted Sebenzas and Striders you will see a pin that he has added at about that position as well.
 
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