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Five pins instead of Four?

Discussion in 'Fiddleback Forge Knives' started by pertinux, Jul 16, 2017.

  1. pertinux

    pertinux Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    I've seen this before when comparing pictures of different knives within the same pattern, and recently noticed it when looking at my Esquires:

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    The navy blue Esquire has 4 micarta pins, the oreo Esquire 5.

    See? The Oreo has a Peekin' Pin when sheathed (this is what caught my eye-- I initially missed it in the Oreo's sale pictures, when the knives were first together nekkid, etc.):

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    Do most FF knives have 4, or 5, and does it depend on the pattern size, or whimsey, or...?

    Thx.

    ~ P.
     
  2. Nbrackett

    Nbrackett

    Jun 19, 2015
    The answer I received:

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  3. pertinux

    pertinux Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    Aha! "Whimsey."

    Thanks!

    (What's a "Predator" look?)

    ~ P.
     
  4. Nbrackett

    Nbrackett

    Jun 19, 2015
    Hard to see here but the triangle

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  5. VANCE

    VANCE Allen, I have an axe to grind with you. Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 13, 2006
    in the movie "Predator"....the 3 little red laser beams that came from the Alien or whatever it was

    pin out like that
     
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  6. pertinux

    pertinux Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    Cool! That's new to me, and looks great.

    (Thanks for the picture, @Nbrackett-- that really helps.)

    ~ P.
     
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  7. Guhul

    Guhul Gold Member Gold Member

    641
    Oct 30, 2015
    Phil, I have not seen a predator pin out in 1.5 years...why is that if i may ask?
     
  8. VANCE

    VANCE Allen, I have an axe to grind with you. Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 13, 2006
    there is no specific reason. we just haven't. ill get Kyle to do one soon.
     
  9. Appalachian

    Appalachian Gold Member Gold Member

    27
    Jun 13, 2017
    Alot of the pin layout you see is my department, and along side with "just keeping it fresh" i think the diversity is nice!
     
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  10. pertinux

    pertinux Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    I agree, I like the diversity. :)

    Whose department do Tapered Tangs fall under? o_O

    ~ P.
     
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  11. VANCE

    VANCE Allen, I have an axe to grind with you. Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 13, 2006
    Allen
     
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  12. varga49

    varga49 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 1, 2016
    Prolly Allen's and Andy's
     
  13. Warrior108

    Warrior108 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 24, 2012
    Cool thread here folks.


    Whose department decides to pick blade stock for a given pattern/knife? (HINT HINT: Like a piece of 3/32" for a Bushnub, which we haven't seen yet btw)

    Thanks
     
  14. VANCE

    VANCE Allen, I have an axe to grind with you. Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 13, 2006
    Andy, Allen & me based on what we have in stock when it's time to scribe out a new batch
     
  15. pertinux

    pertinux Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Feb 1, 2012
    MOR TAPERD KNARFS.
    Please and thank you.

    Thanks, too, for the input re: pins.

    Upon closer inspection, I have a couple more five-pinners:

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    Who knew?!

    I clearly didn't pay much attention before now, and if pressed would have guessed that different patterns received a different number of pins. Or maybe it had to do with whether or not a knife had a bolster? As noted above, I only started to catch on when the Oreo Esquire had a pin riding up over the top of a sheath, and the Navy did not. Hunh?

    Beyond counting pins, I love being able to compare other differences between knives of the same pattern; their handmade-ness shines through all the more.

    The 1/8" Oreo has more substance than the 3/32" Navy blue, in subtle but telling ways beyond the steel thickness.

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    Note how the Oreo's bolster extends farther (it has more handle both fore and aft). Its pins are also further forward than the Navy's.

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    Kewl. :cool:

    ~ P.
     
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  16. Fiddleback

    Fiddleback Knifemaker Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 19, 2005
    The 5th pin, Trinity pinout, predator pinout, soda pop pinout, and the ankle chain pinout came from the idea of the beauty mark pin. Most of these were utilized on very few knives for different reasons. I wanted to make the pinout assymetrical. The beauty mark pin was the answer. The idea was inspired by Sophia Loren's beauty mark. (My Grandad had a crush on her and we watched a lot of her movies together.) I really like the beauty mark pin, but I had to refund a couple of folks who bought the knives used and thought it was just an ugly mistake. My warranty didn't cover that, but I refunded them anyway. So I decided to go with a 5th pin in a geometrical pattern so that no one confused the pin with a mistake. By then I was a bit nuts for pinouts. I did the ankle chain pinout and soda pop pinouts with the idea that I could actually fit handle with overlapping pins. This was one mistake I made as an artist, I let opinion influence me away from these. I should have continued to make them this way occasionally. That was my fault. There are only a couple of each of these two pinouts. And so, going back to patterns I created the Trinity pinout as a symbol of my faith. That is an idea I really like. I think this pinout really makes a handle look fantastic. Someone on the crew suggested the predator pinout, and I thought it was neat.

    Maybe I will go back and do some more of the special pinouts and even some beauty marks. I shouldn't have backed off those ideas so quickly.
     
  17. Hulk2e

    Hulk2e Gold Member Gold Member

    279
    Dec 18, 2014
    I'd love to see the anklechain pinout and soda pop pinouts if anyone has pictures.

    Thanks for the input, Andy. It's always interesting to hear the story behind the work.
     
  18. Fiddleback

    Fiddleback Knifemaker Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 19, 2005
    There is a lot of creative decision making that determines where the leading edge of the scale is positioned. This is Cody's (AKA La Chain) job. He take the blanks I have ground and Kyle has glue prepped and fits them with handles. The front of the scale depends on scale material and what you want shown, bolsters, pin location, position of the grind, etc. All these factors are hand work, and Cody shapes the leading edges based on these. I think he is very good at this. I've been noticing lately that I don't have any little things I would have done differently. Each time a new person gets this job, its a back and forth process between myself and that person to learn how I want them set. Good job Sir La Chain.
     
  19. VANCE

    VANCE Allen, I have an axe to grind with you. Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Mar 13, 2006
    Soda Pop
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    Trinity
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    Trinity mosaic
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    Predator aka Patrick's Clover
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    beauty mark
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    Cinco de Mosaic
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    Ghost Predator...
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    Ankle Bracelet
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    I added that one from Andy's post if someone ever wants to reference back to this post.


    Still looking for others
     
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  20. Fiddleback

    Fiddleback Knifemaker Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 19, 2005
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