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When I first started collecting knives, Benchmade was a brand that I aspired to buy "someday", and eventually picked up a nib blue Switchback and a user black/maroon Ares on the secondary market. For Christmas I got my wife a pink Ritter mini-Grip and a blue/black Ball flipper. I also just got a user 710. Until this announcement, I was ready to dive into collecting more Benchmades, but now I am having second thoughts. I might still, but just at a much slower pace...
 
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The discount codes would not have helped you save any money on the limited edition models anyway, they never really have. I agree with supporting an American company, but that is not really what this whole thing is about. Again, there was no official statement, at all even now. We know there was a corporate restructuring that someone posted a link to (some some kind of new management think tank move).

Next thing you know, just before Christmas shopping commenced the coupon codes were cancelled across the board. Had Benchmade announced on their Facebook page or website a plan for this, it would have likely gone over much more smoothly than it ended up. It was a poor business decision, poorly executed. Sometimes good businesses get run by bad businessmen, or good businessmen make some God awful decisions, and the absolute worst times.

For example, saying something to the effect,"Starting January 1, 2014 coupon codes will be unavailable for our products. Our intention with this decision is to (fill in the blank with whatever rose colored glasses ideal you need to here). Thank you for your support." Customers got nothing at all, and the dealers got less money from those products this year for the busiest holiday shopping time of the year. If anything, the coupon codes should have been reworked a little and allowing brick and mortar stores to use them as well. Now it looks like sales may slow to a crawl across the board, rather than their implied reasoning to help smaller retailers become competitive.

Hell, I'll buy an occasional Limited Run or a preowned hard to find piece in good shape. But overall, unless I see something new that isn't a reimagined version of the same old patterns, my money is going elsewhere. For Heaven's sake, quit discontinuing the good models (Ruckus, AFCK, TSEK, Stryker, Skirmish). Again, just my opinions.

We'll said rev.
 
When I first started collecting knives, Benchmade was a brand that I aspired to buy "someday", and eventually picked up a nib blue Switchback and a user black/maroon Ares on the secondary market. For Christmas I got my wife a pink Ritter mini-Grip and a blue/black Ball flipper. I also just got a user 710. Until this announcement, I was ready to dive into collecting more Benchmades, but now I am having second thoughts. I might still, but just at a much slower pace...

I have great hopes that they will change the pricing structure back to the way it was, and if there are indeed issues with QC, and repairs not being done correctly, and I'm not saying this isn't happening, they will fix those issues as well... If sales drop dramatically, they are going to have to change, or they won't be around long.

They have already established a good platform, and could easily be a premier knife company in the future, but not with the current issues they are having.
 
Unfortunately like most forums/enthusiasts we are probably the vast vast minority of their sales. I know tons of guys at work with Benchmade knives, most paid full retail at some local shop because they liked the design or heard Benchmade was a good knife. Not one of them can sharpen their own knife, or has any real enthusiasm for knives, and could care less about Benchmade's business practices or price schemes.

If they were going to increase prices to the customer, I'd have preferred they increased dealer cost (dealers would pass it onto us which is fine) and used those profits to IMPROVE their quality control and fit/finish. EARN a higher place in the marketplace through your PRODUCT, not your price tag.
 
I'm extremely disappointed in BM's new pricing policy. Is it affecting business? You bet!

I had been planning on getting a couple BMs as Christmas gifts this year (you know introducing friends to the brand and helping to grow it), but instead I was just in time for a price hike.:thumbdn: Horrible timing! And no real warning? So no new BMs (that's 3 knives and 3 new potential customers) instead I pulled one of my own and gave that as a gift, the rest got slippers (or whatever)...

My most recent purchase were 2 from another American brand that typically comes sharper out of the box anyway (I'm sure you can guess), with the pricing for a limited with S90V steel matching a standard production BM. It was a no-brainer! And a trend that will continue if pricing stays the same, better value will be found in other brands and my money is shifting accordingly:grumpy:
 
I wish Mr. Les de Asis would weigh in on his new business model. It's mho he's losing touch with the true reality of things.
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2012/04/26/geithners-secret-meeting-at-nike.html?page=all

I agree Tom. Another member sent me a link about this subject. Benchmade has made some changes in upper management, in various different areas of the business. When I read it my first thought was, this is WAY to much change at one time. It seems like a recipe for disaster with 5 or 6 new people trying to prove their worth. One at a time can be bad enough, but this makes it exponentially worse.
Those of us into Traditional knives remember not long ago, we lost Schrade and Camillus. Schrade had been around for many years, and new management was supposed to streamline the company to be more efficient, and make them more profitable. Well, we all know how well that worked out.
Camillus IIRC was partly management issues, but also some labor issues.

Unfortunately like most forums/enthusiasts we are probably the vast vast minority of their sales. I know tons of guys at work with Benchmade knives, most paid full retail at some local shop because they liked the design or heard Benchmade was a good knife. Not one of them can sharpen their own knife, or has any real enthusiasm for knives, and could care less about Benchmade's business practices or price schemes.

If they were going to increase prices to the customer, I'd have preferred they increased dealer cost (dealers would pass it onto us which is fine) and used those profits to IMPROVE their quality control and fit/finish. EARN a higher place in the marketplace through your PRODUCT, not your price tag.

Very true. We are just a small minority, but we are big enough to cause change in some instances. Case for example has listened to us whine for years about wanting more knives available in CV. They finally did it. I'm sure other companies are paying attention as well. They won't get this kind of input from the general consumer. They find a knife they like and buy it. Most likely they won't give it much thought afterwards unless it has an issue and needs warranty work, or if they have to have it sharpened...

I'm not sure they will really pay attention when it comes to management decisions, or changing business practices like we are discussing here though...
Perhaps they know more than we realize

I'm extremely disappointed in BM's new pricing policy. Is it affecting business? You bet!

I had been planning on getting a couple BMs as Christmas gifts this year (you know introducing friends to the brand and helping to grow it), but instead I was just in time for a price hike.:thumbdn: Horrible timing! And no real warning? So no new BMs (that's 3 knives and 3 new potential customers) instead I pulled one of my own and gave that as a gift, the rest got slippers (or whatever)...

My most recent purchase were 2 from another American brand that typically comes sharper out of the box anyway (I'm sure you can guess), with the pricing for a limited with S90V steel matching a standard production BM. It was a no-brainer! And a trend that will continue if pricing stays the same, better value will be found in other brands and my money is shifting accordingly:grumpy:

Unfortunately this is the affect we all thought it would have. At least among those of us here that really pay attention...
I have to wonder if the general consumer will feel this way, or if they will go to the store and find one they like, and buy it without much consideration of pricing ?
People that don't pay attention, may not realize they went up 33%, and may not even think twice. They find a knife they really want, and that is the price, so they pay it... Raising the prices 33% isn't even something that was publicized, and retail stores certainly aren't going to put up a sign saying that the prices have went up 33%.
The general consumer may not start thinking twice about buying their products, until BM's prices far exceed the prices of other knife companies, for similar products.
 
Having a MAP business model will defiantly exclude Benchmade from the competitive market place. Lol,just think if every restaurant had the exact same menu ? Or every kid in little league baseball got a first place trophy ? Oh well I guess instead of choosing to take advantage of brisk sales with a better and faster manufacturing process it's come down to an one size fits all MAP pricing policy. I just don't see the logic in this but I must admit there's a lot of things I don't understand nowadays. :confused:
 
Having a MAP business model will defiantly exclude Benchmade from the competitive market place.
Oakley might disagree with you. They've had a fixed MSRP business model for a veeeerrry long time. But then, the quality, fit & finish of their product justifies their prices...
 
Oakley might disagree with you. They've had a fixed MSRP business model for a veeeerrry long time. But then, the quality, fit & finish of their product justifies their prices...
Actually I get Oakleys for 50% off MRSP,no way would I pay those insane prices. They are the only sunglasses that I have ever had a coating peel on the lens, so even discounted they aren't really that good.
 
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Oakley might disagree with you. They've had a fixed MSRP business model for a veeeerrry long time. But then, the quality, fit & finish of their product justifies their prices...

But Oakley is a Luxottica brand, and Luxottica practically owns the market for brands, manufacturing, and retail stores (they've only been owned by Luxottica outright since 2007, but as far back as 1996 they fought over what Oakley's should be priced and Oakley had to back down after Luxottica said they were dropping them from their retail stores, dropping their market price by $230million instantly--that's Luxottica's clout when it comes to determining prices in the market, not just with their brands but with others, as well). Benchmade doesn't have that much clout so can't dictate market prices in the same way. The glasses/sunglasses market is nothing like the knife market--because of Luxottica.
 
Actually I get Oakleys for 50% off MRSP,no way would I pay those insane prices. They are the only sunglasses that I have ever had a coating peel on the lens, so even discounted they aren't really that good.
Really? PM me, please. I'm looking for a second pair.
 
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What I want to know is, how many of you have went ahead and purchased a new BM, after the increase ? If you haven't ordered after the increase, how many of you were seriously going to buy, but changed your mind ?

Benchmade was my modern knife maker of choice (I also like traditional knives very much) but I have bought many other brands as well. I have not bought another BM since the MAP enforcement began. I'll never say never, but I doubt that I'll buy another BM unless things change. There are literally thousands of knives out there and I only have enough money to buy a very few of those I want. So eliminating BM from the equation won't slow down my knife purchasing or leave me sad and sorry that there are no new BMs in my collection.

Since I made my decision to stop buying BM products I have bought 4 knives from another well known mfg of modern knives. And, in lieu of a second gold class knife (I own a 7505-132), I purchased a high quality, high priced knife made by someone else that I thought was a better value. I can't say that I would have bought BMs instead of the other 4, but I certainly had a gold class knife in mind when I decided to buy the other high quality knife instead.

I do like the product at the old pricing. I do hope that they either improve their quality to match their pricing (I doubt that happens) or change their mind about the MAP mandate. But when I can buy a knife of equal quality for less or better quality for the same price, then I just can't justify buying BM. Can't do. So I'll enjoy what I already own and buy a couple of new scales to customize a few and have fun with my current collection.

And who knows, maybe I'll find one that I think is worth buying new or find a used knife or two on the market that I want.

Finally, this is JMO. I think that those who feel that the current pricing is still worth buying BMs should do so and enjoy their purchases no matter what anyone else says. A sense of value for products will vary from one person to another and there is nothing wrong with either opinion. :)
 
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Really? PM me, please. I'm looking for a second pair.
I'll PM you in the mornin loony,have to ask my Son for the site.It does ask for military ID of some sort. I was really careful with them but just being on the console of my vehicle in the blazing S/W heat screwed up the coating on the inside of the lens.
 
Yeah, this is BS. After stewing about it for a week or so I now refuse to buy anything else from them. No more BM's for me. It's sad when people get so rich that they lose touch with reality. Seems that this is what has happened for Les.
 
They need to remember that there is a huge, loyal customer base, and those people are what put BM where they are today...
I personally bought my first BM probably close to 15-16 years ago. My first BM was a 705 with ATS-34 steel, so whenever they made the Pre-Production versions of those.
It's been awhile...

If they lose all of us that have been with them for many years, or even if they lose 50%, , it will essentially be like they are starting over, and will be relying on new customers to build the business back up. They would have to have very deep pockets to run a business the size of BM, with a 50% loss of revenue for very long.
 
They need to remember that there is a huge, loyal customer base, and those people are what put BM where they are today...
I personally bought my first BM probably close to 15-16 years ago. My first BM was a 705 with ATS-34 steel, so whenever they made the Pre-Production versions of those.
It's been awhile...

If they lose all of us that have been with them for many years, or even if they lose 50%, , it will essentially be like they are starting over, and will be relying on new customers to build the business back up. They would have to have very deep pockets to run a business the size of BM, with a 50% loss of revenue for very long.

Good point. If we factor in the loyal customer base not represented over here on Blade that won't spend, that should be a wake up call for BKC. As so often expressed, many of us have been around for years. I used to, in a good year, buy six or seven. Add the search for second-hand models and that money spent and earned...and if I read this right, is beginning to turn into profit lost.

Just ask yourself in reading this last few week's posts, if there have been joyful members coming on not complaining about the price increase, and not showing photos of poor fit and finish. Seems finding a knife out of the box without issues is rarer than an affordable Gold Class knife.

It's always good medicine to work on the positive side of things, but right now as I'm writing this I am not feeling it. Casey has struck out and there's no joy in Mudville. :rolleyes:
 
It's always good medicine to work on the positive side of things, but right now as I'm writing this I am not feeling it. Casey has struck out and there's no joy in Mudville. :rolleyes:

Absolutely. Trying to keep a positive outlook on things is a lot more productive than constant negativity. Unfortunately in this case, there are couple issues that are hard to be positive about. Pricing and QC...

They really are very important issues though, and should be a huge concern to Benchmade. While it probably won't change anything, my hope with this thread was that if we kept it civilized and on topic, Benchmade would take note, and realize we aren't discussing these issues just to stir the pot.
There are a lot of us here that don't want to see Benchmade deteriorate, and become a mediocre company, or worse yet, go out of business...

Worse case scenario for the consumers, we will start paying more attention to other companies, and from what some have posted, that has already begun.
Benchmade on the other hand stands to lose a lot. Not only does the owner have a huge investment financially, he has also invested part of his life into growing this business.
And lets not forget all of the employees at Benchmade. I have no doubt that there are people at BM who really do care about putting out a quality product, and take pride in their work. Unfortunately, they are restricted by time allotments and can only do so much. If the company were to go out of business, there would be a lot of people that would find themselves unemployed. Nobody wants to see that.

I would like to thank everyone who has posted in this thread , for keeping it civilized :thumbup:
 
I'll PM you in the mornin loony,have to ask my Son for the site.It does ask for military ID of some sort. I was really careful with them but just being on the console of my vehicle in the blazing S/W heat screwed up the coating on the inside of the lens.

Military ID? That explains a lot. They give huge discounts to military/LEO/EMS and retired military, but if you aren't one of those, you will pay full MSRP. And, yes, being on the console in a vehicle that reaches over 150º will screw up sunglasses.
 
Military ID? That explains a lot. They give huge discounts to military/LEO/EMS and retired military, but if you aren't one of those, you will pay full MSRP. And, yes, being on the console in a vehicle that reaches over 150º will screw up sunglasses.

This thread isn't about sunglasses...
 
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