Fixing The Problem

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This is a message I sent to the Dutch Bushcraft Boys. Please do not mention The Major Knife Company who closed down this spring.
I want this thread to go beyond that. I'd like to focus on fixing this and keeping it from happening again and not beat a dead horse.

Hey Guys. You know what would happen if you independently and scientifically verified the steel of each knife you review? At this point in time, you'd double your audience. You need some simple testing equipment and a way to insure the individual knife is a random sample. Not hard to do and it would certainly redeem you for your promotion of B**T. You'd be f***ing legends. And once you start doing it, other people will. An Army of Internet Knife Nuts testing steel on the internet. No more nonsense. You get 50 channels that actually test every knife they review and you've solved this problem. Be the leaders in solving this problem.
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Open Source Software-- software in which programmers can look at the actual source code is more secure. You know why? Because if you you have thousands of programmers looking at the inner structure of the code there will be no more secrets. Nothing can be hidden. That's the idea. 1000 Keyboard Warriors testing the steel. No more hiding. I sincerely believe this will vastly improve the state of the industry.

Gracie
 
What is it about “the industry” you’re trying to fix exactly? And concerning the events that occurred with a certain company that shall not be named, how exactly are DBK responsible for fixing something they had nothing to do with?
 
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BP Green said:
What is it about “the industry” you’re trying to fix exactly? And concerning the events that occurred with a certain company that shall not be named, how exactly are DBK responsible for fixing something they had nothing to do with?
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Well if you look at their history, they were promoting the company's knives. A lot. It was their favorite brand.
Think what would happen if they had tested the steel from every one of the knives from that company that they reviewed.
I never said they were responsible. But they certainly contributed to the problem, albeit unknowingly. My idea would
prevent that from happening again and they are in a position to be leaders in a solution.

Gracie
 
Woodswoman said:
Well if you look at their history, they were promoting the company's knives. A lot. It was their favorite brand.
Think what would happen if they had tested the steel from every one of the knives from that company that they reviewed.
I never said they were responsible. But they certainly contributed to the problem, albeit unknowingly. My idea would
prevent that from happening again and they are in a position to be leaders in a solution.

Gracie
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This is your thread and I don’t want it closed because of something, I said so I’ll just leave it at this. I don’t think the industry is broken, and also - There is only one person responsible for what happened at BR and it wasn’t a couple of YouTubers who happened to like their knives. Your opinion may vary. . .
 
BP Green said:
This is your thread and I don’t want it closed because of something, I said so I’ll just leave it at this. I don’t think the industry is broken, and also - There is only one person responsible for what happened at BR and it wasn’t a couple of YouTubers who happened to like their knives. Your opinion may vary. . .
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Um... did you read the part where I said they were not responsible? The fact is, they could be a huge factor in
preventing this from happening again. They were fooled by a conman and promoted forgeries. To a wide audience.
Employing this solution would prevent that from happening again. Widespread adoption of the idea would help
prevent it from happening again to anyone.

But hey-- if you don't think there's a problem here then there's really no sense in us discussing a solution, is there? :)

So let's leave it at that.

Gracie
 
youre talking about the hans and franz knife guys right.....?


wouldn't matter if they did test..some of those bad knives with the poor heat treats turned out to be the right steels....not all but some. so would just add confusion...when we all knew the brand and owner couldnt be trusted and made bad products. those who ignored that...thats on them.

not talking about that brand....some of these reviewers buy knives to test and some get freebies. a bad industry player could rig it by sending a better and proper steel and heat treated sample to them, and dupe them and everyone else for awhile....I dont see how that idear would do anything really...

thats aside....it wouldnt get me watch them, course I dont now. i really only buy knives from good makers who can be trusted.
 
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Woodswoman said:
Um... did you read the part where I said they were not responsible? The fact is, they could be a huge factor in
preventing this from happening again. They were fooled by a conman and promoted forgeries. To a wide audience.
Employing this solution would prevent that from happening again. Widespread adoption of the idea would help
prevent it from happening again to anyone.

But hey-- if you don't think there's a problem here then you and I will not find common ground. So let's leave it at that.

Gracie
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Woodswoman said:
Well if you look at their history, they were promoting the company's knives. A lot. It was their favorite brand.
Think what would happen if they had tested the steel from every one of the knives from that company that they reviewed.
I never said they were responsible. But they certainly contributed to the problem, albeit unknowingly. My idea would
prevent that from happening again and they are in a position to be leaders in a solution.

Gracie
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Good thing she doesn’t think they’re responsible. . . Or holding them accountable. . . 😂
 
BP Green said:
Good thing she doesn’t think they’re responsible. . . Or holding them accountable. . . 😂
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Okay Mr. Swanson.

I am not here for animosity so I will refrain from discussing this with you.
There is no sense in discussing this with you since we can't even agree
there's a problem.. So I won't.

Hugs!

Gracie
 
Woodswoman said:
Okay Mr. Swanson.

I am not here for animosity so I will refrain from discussing this with you.
There is no sense in discussing this with you since we can't even agree
there's a problem.. So I won't.

Hugs!

Gracie
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You’re absolutely right that I don’t think there’s an industry wide problem with con artists duping their customers. . . Or that the industry needs fixing.
 
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not talking about that brand....some of these reviewers buy knives to test and some get freebies. a bad industry player could rig it by sending a better and proper steel and heat treated sample to them, and dupe them and everyone else for awhile....I dont see how that idear would do anything really...
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Correct-- they would have to insure that the knife is a randome sample. And testing for hardness could be done, right?

Don't get upset fellas-- it's just an idea that I happen to believe in, but not willing to create harsh feelings over.
 
If you can't reply in a civil fashion without mocking or posting memes, maybe don't post a reply here.

Members can disagree without being disagreeable. Or should be able to.
 
conan11 said:
To many good custom knife makers and companies out there to be worried about this. Don't buy a BRK, and you will do well.
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For the record, they aren't the only company or maker that has been escorted from this site for deceptive business practices or fraud. (I know because I've sent some of them packing personally.)

I trust most makers or manufacturers until I have a reason not to...and it rarely comes down to "trust but verify"...though occasionally it does.

That said, I don't generally get the best information from YT video knife bros, whether they portray themselves as straight shooters or entertainers. There are exceptions.
 
The problem with this idea is that to grow on YouTube, you need to post consistently and often. If they devoted that much time into testing their knives in detail, the channel would shrink. They already do far more testing than is ideal for viewership, the formula favors cursory unboxing videos over tests. Look at the size of Metal Complex's channel and then look at Cedric and Ada, for instance.
 
Woodswoman said:
Correct-- they would have to insure that the knife is a randome sample. And testing for hardness could be done, right?

Don't get upset fellas-- it's just an idea that I happen to believe in, but not willing to create harsh feelings over.
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Let me try a different tack. DBK were just as much victims in this whole thing as the rest of us - actually maybe even more so than the rest of us. That’s the part that upset me a bit about your post. It’s not up to them to take on the burden of fixing something that isn’t an industry wide problem.

I think we can all agree that guy who ran the company in question was not a good person and hurt a lot of people along the way. But thankfully, people like like him are not the industry standard. Most folks in the business are good, hard working people who take pride in their products.
 
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