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Flat platens, radius platens, water cooled platen chillers.

Discussion in 'For Sale: Knifemaking Supplies & Tools' started by Nathan the Machinist, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    36", 48", 72" curved platens, flat platens sold out and water cooled aluminum chillers. This is a continuation of a previous sale to incorporate more flat platens that came back from Peter's yesterday.

    These are machined of A2 steel and hardened to HRC 61-64. It is 1/16" shy of 8" to fit between the rollers, 2" wide and has the KMG 1/4-20 6.75" center to center mounting pattern.

    Radius is $100, flat is $80, the chillers are $40. Flat rate shipping in the USA is $5. This is the last time I will be making these at this price, the cost of tool steel and carbide keep going up.

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    There are twenty 36" platens, eight 48" platens, twenty 72" platens and twenty flat platens. Be aware that the 72" grind is too subtle to really notice with your eyes. I think it is mostly used by folks making certain kinds of kitchen knives.

    In using these platens I have found the effect is subtle, but noticeable. It isn't a flat grind, but it isn't really a hollow grind. I believe this is a historically accurate grind for blades ground in yesteryear on really big stones. I see this being a cool grind for blades made in an older style, and blades like kitchen knives where you would want a full height grind on a tall thin blade.

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    If you look closely, you'll see a tiny hole in the surface of all of the platens. On the opposite side of the hole I have cut a 1/4" NPT pipe thread (a regular taper pipe thread) which you can (if you want) use to pressurize your platen with air.

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    One of the problems of grinding on a radius platen is heat, and the addition of air between the belt and the platen both reduces friction and cools both of them. It is possible to grind with high belt tension and a large contact area at your highest speed for hours at a time without excessive heat buildup. This only works well with a stiff belt. Once you get into something like a j flex you will find the air cushion rounds the leading and trailing edge a bit. At this point you will want to move away from the air zone or reduce air pressure. I get best results with the air pressure between 5 and 50 PSI.

    You don't have to use air to use these platens. This is a feature I have added by request.

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    The flat platen is flat hardened A2 and has the air bearing port. It also has a radius on the leading and trailing edge that some people use to clean up the plunge while finish grinding a blade lengthwise. This is a very cool technique that a few people practice where they allow the belt to wrap around the end of the platen and grind their blades lengthwise at low speed. There is an 1/8" fillet on one end and 1/4" on the other. Due to the severity of the bend, the platen gets extremely hot very quickly so this can only be done at low belt speeds. You will probably want a chiller if you plan on doing this.



    By request I have made some aluminum platen chillers. These work very well if you're having difficulty with excessive platen heat.

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    These have an internal meandering water path circuit where you can pump, siphon or otherwise flow water to control the temperature of your platen.

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    The mating surface is precision machined flat and the back of my steel platens are also precision machined flat so you can simply bolt these up and get fairly decent heat transfer. For better heat transfer or to use a platen I didn't manufacture you can use a little thermal grease during assembly to get really good heat transfer.

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    Because the chiller covers the air port, it is not compatible with an air injection setup. This is a one-or-the-other kind of thing. It is sealed with a buna N o-ring that is rated to 250 F. The o-ring is compatible with water, antifreeze and most oils. It is not particularly compatible with acetone, so if you're planning to flow subzero acetone through it for use as frozen quench plates - you probably shouldn't. The assembly can be opened to remove clogs or replace the o-ring if necessary. If opened, you should use a little smear of grease to lubricate the o-ring upon reassembly.

    The pipe thread is a standard 1/4 NPT. You are responsible for hooking up your own coolant supply. I recommend 1/4" swivel push-to-connect fittings and plastic tubing, though rubber hose and hose barbs work too. I'm using a dinky little centrifugal pump here and a bucket of water. The meandering coolant path in the platen chiller induces a lot of turbulence in the water flow which helps you get good heat extraction without needing a lot of water flow. An aquarium pump is adequate. Or you might opt to hook up to your regular water supply and simply dump the water (though you'll go to hell for wasting water). Just remember you don't need huge flow or pressure here. Keep up with your tubing to keep it out of the grinder wheels and mechanism using zip ties or similar.


    These are (just under) 2 X 8 with a 6 3/4" center to center hole pattern for the KMG grinder. If these platens will fit your grinder and you would like to buy one of these, I need you to please follow these instructions to help me keep up with everything (otherwise folks will fall through the cracks).

    1: State your claim in this thread.

    2: send me an email (not a private message) carothersknives at gmail dought com

    The email should include what you are buying, your BladeForums handle (i.e.: "Nathan the Machinist"), your actual name, your shipping address and your paypal email address.

    I will send a PayPal invoice to that email.

    3. Pay the paypal invoice. Once it is paid, I will ship your order to the name and address you gave in your order email.

    If you don't want to use paypal, we can arrange to send a check.

    I don't imagine there will be shortages this time, but if there are, it will be based upon first come first serve who posts in this thread. I have to do it this way to keep things sane.


    Thanks,
    Nathan
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2013
  2. John Frankl

    John Frankl

    Oct 16, 2001
    One flat platen, please.

    Email sent.

    Thank you.
     
  3. jonnymac44

    jonnymac44

    Sep 27, 2007
    I've also been waiting for a flat platen, Nathan:thumbup: Email inbound.

    Thanks, and happy new year!

    Jonny
     
  4. shane wink

    shane wink

    288
    Sep 14, 2010
    Flat platen please! E-mail sent
     
  5. reevestx

    reevestx

    175
    Dec 15, 2009
    I would like a flat and a chiller I also have a question i will as in the email. Thanks
     
  6. timos-

    timos- KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Oct 22, 2012
    36" radius platen please. email forthcoming:)
     
  7. Mark Knapp

    Mark Knapp Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Dec 20, 2009
    Hi Nathan, please put me down for a flat platen, thanks, Mark
     
  8. klammer

    klammer

    569
    Jan 30, 2009
    I will take a flat platten, e-mail sent.
     
  9. SteelSlaver

    SteelSlaver

    Feb 17, 2007
    I would like a flat platen please. Email inbound
     
  10. Robber58

    Robber58 KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    277
    Oct 9, 2008
    I would like a flat platen please. Email on the way.
    Randy
     
  11. Bama

    Bama

    450
    May 1, 2009
    I want a flat platen also email on the way
     
  12. David Vickers

    David Vickers KnifeMaker Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    7
    Jun 18, 2006
    I would like a flat platen and a chiller. Email on the way. Thanks.
     
  13. Gables

    Gables

    40
    Dec 20, 2009
    Ill take a flat platten.
     
  14. ultrahesh

    ultrahesh

    745
    May 24, 2008
    I'll take a flat platen. Thanks!
     
  15. gadgetguy9000

    gadgetguy9000

    33
    Jan 10, 2009
    I will take a flat platen and a chiller - email sent.
     
  16. Dan Pierson

    Dan Pierson

    Nov 24, 2003
    I would like a flat platen and a chiller, email inbound.

    Also, should the chiller work with one of your original run of radius platens? Uh, forget that question
    I just looked at the chiller picture...
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2012
  17. jonnymac44

    jonnymac44

    Sep 27, 2007
    Nathan, not to detract from your sales thread, but I am curious as to what pressure you run air from your compressor through the rear of the flat platens for cooling. I'm assuming something fairly low......40 to 60 lbs or so?

    Thanks
     
  18. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    I don't generally flat grind, I like to use contact wheels and radius platens. When I use my flat platens it is usually related to my machine shop and not knives.

    The air port is a feature that I added by request. I now use a platen chiller to keep my platens cool so I don't use the airports anymore. I'm not saying that it isn't a useful feature, the people that use it like it, but it isn't a regular part of my knifemaking process.

    The people I have talked to were running it around 10 or 20 PSI at the platen. I've gone as low as 5 PSI and as high 80. The thing to remember is you're trying to create a thin film of air between the platen and the belt where you are grinding to reduce heat and friction. It is most useful with stiff coarse grit belts at high speed. It is generally not helpful with the more flexible grit belts because the air tends to roll the leading and trailing edge, unless you're trying to do some kind of a convex grind which is not something I can speak to.
     
  19. Shaw Blades

    Shaw Blades

    May 18, 2009
    I'd like a flat platen. Sending email now.
     
  20. jonnymac44

    jonnymac44

    Sep 27, 2007
    Thanks Nathan, that helps:thumbup:
     

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