Flying with a pistol?

Gollnick said:
Keep in mind that in any state you may carry a gun around "concealed" if it is not loaded and not "immediately accessible" to you. If the gun, magazines, and ammo are in a locked case such that you would have to set the case down, dig the key out of your pocket, fumble with the key and open the lock, open the case, unpack the case, unwrap the ammo, load the magazine, remove the trigger or breach lock from the gun, put the magazine into the gun, etc., that is NOT considered carrying a concealed weapon.
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A good argument with respect to any violation of law that has concealment as an element of the crime. However, even doing the above could get you a visit to the grey-bar hotel in some states/locals.
 
It not only could - it has. But only in some places. Thankfully, Colorado's not one of them.
 
You guys think this will work with the TSA guidelines for being unloaded? I'm flying out tomorrow morning.

There is a mag inserted into the mag well, but as you can clearly see from the picture it is NOT fully seated. There is a ziptie in the chamber to indicate that it is empty. All mags in the box are EMPTY.

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Samael said:
That's your gun case? Or is it going in a separate case? Does it lock?
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The case above is the Gun Vault Nano 200. It will be attached to my suitcase frame (security cable) and sit with my clothing in my checked in luggage. It locks via a Key which I will have around my neck the entire flight.
 
I live in a Denver suburb. I'm NOT a lawyer.

Colorado recently passed a law (unfortunately, IMO), denying ANY reciprocity for concealed carry. So no other state's concealed carry permit is legal in CO any more.

What you are describing is NOT concealed carry. Gollnick is correct. The previous poster is also correct that you may keep a loaded firearm in your vehicle, and that is NOT considered concealed carry in Colorado. If you keep it locked and unloaded, I can't see how you would ever have a problem. But I've said that before, and common sense hasn't always prevailed. For example, CO's CCW allows for concealed carry of firearms, but not knives over 3.5 inches. Go figure.

Colorado isn't too uptight about firearms, Denver can be, but with all the hunters that fly into DIA, I'd be shocked if it were a problem.

By the way, your picture looks like a loaded gun to me. But I don't know how TSA would view it.
 
krazichinaman said:
You guys think this will work with the TSA guidelines for being unloaded? I'm flying out tomorrow morning.

There is a mag inserted into the mag well, but as you can clearly see from the picture it is NOT fully seated. There is a ziptie in the chamber to indicate that it is empty. All mags in the box are EMPTY.
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If ALL of the mags in the box are empty, then that gun is unloaded, yes.

I would suggest, however, against the mag in the well. It looks suspecious. Two mags will be enough. Just leave the third home.
 
I'm happy sodak isn't a lawyer, because Colorado still has reciprocity with other states. http://cbi.state.co.us/ic/Reciprocity.html. But it has never had reciprocity with Washington, since they don't recognize our permits.

I've flown with empty mags fully seated in the mag well without any problems. TSA sees a lot of guns - they know the difference. I don't anticipate any problems there.

It is, however, my understanding that the gun case has to be in a separate case (i.e., not in your suitcase). I just woke up. Give me a few minutes to research that some more and I'll get back to you on that.
 
Nope, I can't find anything that specifically says it can't be in your suitcase. Be aware that this is pretty highly unusual, though, so you may get hassled about it. If so, it'll happen at check-in at SeaTac, not in Denver.

Good luck to you, and let us know how it turns out.
 
Samael said:
I'm happy sodak isn't a lawyer, because Colorado still has reciprocity with other states. http://cbi.state.co.us/ic/Reciprocity.html. But it has never had reciprocity with Washington, since they don't recognize our permits.
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Good find. I listened intently when the law was changed, the Governor was defending it on the radio, and it was being dicussed as a total withdrawal of all reciprocity agreements. I wonder if it got amended or something like that.
 
I must be missing something. How could you be charged with possession if your bag is checked? It is not in your possession.
 
Yeah, you are missing something: The fact that New Jersey charged a guy in exactly this situation. Yeah, I know, it doesn't make any sense at all. Still, that's the kind of BS we have to put up with out there.
 
Gollnick said:
Keep in mind that in any state you may carry a gun around "concealed" if it is not loaded and not "immediately accessible" to you.
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Untrue. There are a handful of NE states that will try to throw you in prison for that, unfair and contrary to the Constitution though it might be.

Colorado is not in the NorthEast. You should not have to worry about it here.
 
I fly a couple of times a year and almost always bring several pistols. Your case will work fine, and can be put inside your checked luggage. It will save you a few dollars. I would suggest not attaching it to the outside of your checked luggage. Most people do not realize how easy it is to fly with firearms. I've yet to be "hassled" by TSA or the checkin people. When I check my firearms, they ask if they are unloaded, then they have you sign a small form that goes inside the firearms case and you lock it up and you are good to go.
 
Well I made it to Texas without a problem. The process was much easier then I thought it would be. The TSA guy gave me some lip when I asked if he wanted me to open my locked box to verify that it was unloaded (At SeaTac). I had 2 mags in my locked box (Empty mag well), and 1 mag stored in my pelican case with my ammo.

Thanks for all the info everyone!
 
Samael said:
Yeah, you are missing something: The fact that New Jersey charged a guy in exactly this situation. Yeah, I know, it doesn't make any sense at all. Still, that's the kind of BS we have to put up with out there.
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The guy in New Jersey was arrested with the gun in his possession. He collected his bags because of problems with his flight. Its still a terrible travesty, but he was arrested because he had the gun in his bags and he was in control of his bags, not the airline.
 
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