Folding Pry-bars.

the blade is 2inches I believe , OAL is 6inches
22-rimfire said:
That's called the "Spare Tool". It is apparently discontinued by CRKT. It looks "big", but it is only 2" long. So, I question the usefulness other than as a toy tool.
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shinyedges said:
I get what you are saying, and understand the logic as I myself tend to like more robust items. But if someone is relying on a folder for heavy prying I hope their life isn't on the line because the folder will likely fail and possibly injure the person and destroy the knife..I guess I think depending on a folder for prying is foolish because it
1 destroys the knife/ which if your only tool sucks
2 risks injury to the person
3 the person bought into the marketing of the knife rather than examining the knife and realizing it FOLDS and will be a POOR prying tool at best, and at worst injure them.
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I'm thinking people who call overbuilt knives as folding prybars are using a commonly used term here and is just another way of saying hard use folder.

Second, if we admit that prying is part of the job of an overbuilt folder, then it would be relatively easy to test for that capability. We don't basically see the capability of folders in prying because of the usual reaction(witness this thread). Once particular models are determined to be capable, I'm sure we would hear about them too.

When people ask for recommendations about overbuilt knives, they usually get a lot of replies that like oxymoron and ridiculous. Which is no help at all. If people need strong knives for whatever reason, it is not our place to ridicule their choices. Instead, we should be as helpful in our recommendations of strong folders as we are helpful when someone asks for say edge retention.
 
Boats said:
Trapped on the balcony? Lulz. I'm not buying a folder based on that happenstance. It's not my lack of imagination that provides the limitations on the ultimate utility of a thick folder, it's this irrefutable thang called odds, as in probability based mathematics.

By the line of thinking that says one must be prepared with a folding knife theoretically up for emergency single use catastrophically necessary prying, I should carry a portable lightning rod when hiking in summer. . .just in case of threatening thunderheads.
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But then you do bring around a toolbox for possibilities...some people carry what they think they'll need.

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you. Some people have made their choices about what kind of preparations they make. It's not out place to ridicule choices.

It really is none of your business what people prepare for. Just like it's none of other people's business what you choose to bring. ;)
 
agreed, but is it not also good to let them know "hey , these knives aren't meant for heavy duty prying. They can and will fail so don't put all you eggs in the folding pry bar basket" ? I think a certain warning about what the limitations on folding knives are capable of is good too. but to ridicule them is not good.
singularity35 said:
I'm thinking people who call overbuilt knives as folding prybars are using a commonly used term here and is just another way of saying hard use folder.

Second, if we admit that prying is part of the job of an overbuilt folder, then it would be relatively easy to test for that capability. We don't basically see the capability of folders in prying because of the usual reaction(witness this thread). Once particular models are determined to be capable, I'm sure we would hear about them too.

When people ask for recommendations about overbuilt knives, they usually get a lot of replies that like oxymoron and ridiculous. Which is no help at all. If people need strong knives for whatever reason, it is not our place to ridicule their choices. Instead, we should be as helpful in our recommendations of strong folders as we are helpful when someone asks for say edge retention.
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shinyedges said:
agreed, but is it not also good to let them know "hey , these knives aren't meant for heavy duty prying. They can and will fail so don't put all you eggs in the folding pry bar basket" ? I think a certain warning about what the limitations on folding knives are capable of is good too. but to ridicule them is not good.
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Agreed as well, but a realistic and quantitative estimate of the capability would be a reasonable data to include. Data which we is not widely available as of the moment because of the prejudice encountered.

As an example, when folder strength is talked about some group of people will always declare "pre-broken" or whatever term is current to them. So when somebody makes a stronger folder, the same group of guys will then loudly declare that there's no need for over-engineered strength because they don't use their folders in such a way as to stress them.
 
wow! 5 pages! :D
Mike, from Black Bear Knives, told me he heard Duane explain the over-built folder concept at a BLADE show.
I do not remember where the article came from.
Carry on... nicely.
rolf
 
I'm all for testing for prying capability, hell i'd do the testing and film it if we come up with a set of standards and tests. The more information on what a knife is capable of the better.

we would void a lot of warranties and possibly get shunned by the companies of knives who don't fair well though.:D
singularity35 said:
Agreed as well, but a realistic and quantitative estimate of the capability would be a reasonable data to include. Data which we is not widely available as of the moment because of the prejudice encountered.
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shinyedges said:
I'm all for testing for prying capability, hell i'd do the testing and film it if we come up with a set of standards and tests. The more information on what a knife is capable of the better.

we would void a lot of warranties and possibly get shunned by the companies of knives who don't fair well though.:D
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Well then, as somebody mentioned, companies who are dishonest about the capabilities of their "hard use" knives will have nowhere to hide...:D
 
IM liking this more already, now the real problem is buying all the knives for testing.... sigh:rolleyes:
singularity35 said:
Well then, as somebody mentioned, companies who are dishonest about the capabilities of their knives will have nowhere to hide...:D
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shinyedges said:
IM liking this more already, now the real problem is buying all the knives for testing.... sigh:rolleyes:
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As usual when standards get higher, it's always the end user who benefits. I don't have resources to buy and test but then as long as I have explained where I'm coming from and to have someone see my point of view without hard feelings getting in the way, I'm happy.

I'm sure the discussion in this thread hasn't changed anyone's mind but hopefully some people's minds' have been opened....sigh...probably not though haha...
 
singularity35 said:
But then you do bring around a toolbox for possibilities...some people carry what they think they'll need.

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you. Some people have made their choices about what kind of preparations they make. It's not out place to ridicule choices.

It really is none of your business what people prepare for. Just like it's none of other people's business what you choose to bring. ;)
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I carry a toolbox in my Jeep not for the unexpected, but rather because of inevitability.

Just Empty Every Pocket.:D
 
Sometimes people are bull headed, even if they do see where your coming from they wont admit it. Other times people are slow and just can't grasp concepts or idea's that elude them. meh lol The savy will get it and the rest..well who cares.
singularity35 said:
As usual when standards get higher, it's always the end user who benefits. I don't have resources to buy and test but then as long as I have explained where I'm coming from and to have someone see my point of view without hard feelings getting in the way, I'm happy.

I'm sure the discussion in this thread hasn't changed anyone's mind but hopefully some people's minds' have been opened....sigh...probably not though haha...
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shinyedges said:
I like the crkt, what kind of sheath does it come with?
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Here you go; mine has paracord wrapped around the sheath for extra tac-LOL points...

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22-rimfire said:
That's called the "Spare Tool". It is apparently discontinued by CRKT. It looks "big", but it is only 2" long. So, I question the usefulness other than as a toy tool.
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No.


shinyedges said:
the blade is 2inches I believe , OAL is 6inches
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22-rimfire said:
Right you are. I was just looking at the inch scale on the side of the tool and yep, it looks to be about 6" long.
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Yes. ;):D 6 1/4" overall length and it's quite handy. $14 from a local bricks and mortar and I've had it a few years.
 
okto said:
You carry a hammer and a wrecking bar around with you everywhere?
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Actually...

[video=youtube;kjN4l8luNy4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjN4l8luNy4[/video]
 
When people talk of prying with a knife, most folks aren't talking about prying apart floorboards, or 2x4's held together with 4 inch nails.

A stout knife with a tip that can pry in a slightly rotted log to get "wigglies" for bait can be handy.
A knife that doesn't snap a piece off when prying a staple isn't a bad thing.

Not all thick knives are bad at cutting...and not all thin knives are good at it.
Grind used and thickness behind the edge matters a lot.

Or, we can all fall back to "What I don't like is stupid, and you're stupid for liking the things I don't like."

Either way works, I guess. :D
 
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