Food prices expected to rise

just to add to the hooplah, i understand L.E. and paramedics, as well as firefighters and other gov. officials get an "id badge" that allows them to get food when it isnt available to citizens.....
 
skinz0021 said:
just to add to the hooplah, i understand L.E. and paramedics, as well as firefighters and other gov. officials get an "id badge" that allows them to get food when it isnt available to citizens.....
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I have no idea whether this is true or not, I've never even heard it before. Frankly, I doubt there's any truth to it at all. After all, when the shelves of the local grocery stores are empty, they're empty. Doesn't really matter what kind of badge you may have.

On the other hand, I know for a fact that the above information is absolutely true about vaccines and antibiotics. Government, Law Enforcement, First Responders, and hospital staff will always be first priority for any disbursement of medication during times of emergency.

As distasteful as it may seem, it is at least on the face of it, a sensible action. Until of course, you and your family get passed over for vital meds so "Assemblyman Plushbottom" and his entire family can be sure to get theirs.
 
as i understand it some officers that shop at the gunstore i frequent were talking to a guy that works there and told him about it. i know its one of those stories that im sure we all get from time to time, but as far as the process of it, he explained it would be set up similar to the government aid programs and when the stores are empty they would be getting first dibs on government type rations. like that 12 lb block of sliced cheese my great grandma used to get when i was a kid.
 
That would not surprise me. If you can't keep the people who are supposed to help you, and protect you, healthy, and fed. That would only hurt an already bad situation.
 
Didn't you see coverage of Hurricane Katrina? NOLA P.D. was getting fed. Hell, there were reports of The U.S. Secret Service snagging laptops at a Circuit City or some other outlet because they needed them. All experience hath shewn that the badge they need, they already have. :D

On a totally cynical note, if you want people to be your enforcers and saviors, don't you think you are going to take care of them? Unless they want the "Blue Flu" to hit, they will take care of them and their families as well. Thems the brakes, life in the big city and a bunch of other platitudes. :D
 
I didn't really see anything in this thread that would be a challenge to anyone about taking care of their family. :confused:
 
Guess I thought you were making the point of NOT needing to depend on other people, but instead, be self sufficiant......Maybe I just didn't understand your post.

No worries!
 
The sky is falling the sky is falling.

In all seriousness, obama even said he doesnt have a problem with $5 fuel, just has a problem with how it got there. Fuel is on the rise, and its gonna be over 5 close to 6 I would guess this summer. We are going to have to drill for it to go down, but guess what, the regime wants the high fuel. This country is f***ed untill we pull our heads out of our asses and get off this whole green kick. China, and the rest of the countries that are keeping their currency deflated on purpose, and substudised, is what is killing us.

In response to what the butcher said, beef is going to be really high here shortly. 4weight calves just sold for $1.74 on the hoof, at the local auction yard last week. Beef on the rail in 02 was $1.60. Ya, beef is going to be pricey, herd numbers are as low as they have ever been in history too, which is contributing to this, along with dairys arent being substudised anymore, and going broke, they have sold off a lot of their numbers, which tanked the prices a couple years ago. But now they are back up because they arent dumping their culls onto our market.

America is guilty of keeping food prices low because of substedies. Now that they are talking about cutting them for farmers (which I agree with) they will have to be able to make a living off what they grow, not off what they dont. Food prices are going to go up if they cut substedies, but they will level out, then go back down somewhat.

The biggest thing killing this country is entitlement, people think they are entitled to healthcare, food, welfare, and whatever else. You are entitled to EARN it and that is it. I feel no sympathy for people on the govt dole. We need to abolish all those programs, make those people look for jobs, and be productive, they are bleeding this country. And if they dont want to work, screw them, let them starve, thats cold hearted I know. But you reape what you sow. I am flat sick and tired of kicking out 25% of what I EARN, to feed some sob, who doesnt want to work because they have a cancker sore, or because they dont know how. You know what happens if I dont work, I dont eat. Plane and simple! You dont work, fine, starve.
 
ubet said:
The sky is falling the sky is falling.
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Is it? Is it not? :)

In all seriousness, obama even said he doesnt have a problem with $5 fuel, just has a problem with how it got there.
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He doesn't have a problem with it because he is a multimillionaire for one thing. For another, most liberal folks want it higher, that's why they keep pointing towards Europe. They want to tax it more as well.

Fuel is on the rise, and its gonna be over 5 close to 6 I would guess this summer.
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I don't know how high it will go. Your prediction would not surprise me if it happened but for some reason, I think it will fall way short of six dollars per gallon. The cost of everything will skyrocket and I don't think they want to deal with those types of socio-economic woes that is going to bring on.

We are going to have to drill for it to go down, but guess what, the regime wants the high fuel.
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I don't think drilling is going to make it go down and if it did, you would not see a change for a few years because it would take that long to get everything in the mix, you know what I mean? You don't start drilling a well and then the prices go down in anticipation of the oil being removed from the ground. There is also a problem, an artificial problem that was created, with refining it.

The regime wants higher taxes off of it but doesn't necessarily want to have the crash that might come with extremely higher prices.

This country is f***ed untill we pull our heads out of our asses and get off this whole green kick.
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I don't have a problem, at all, with exploring other ways to create power. I mean, if I had the money, I would damned sure NOT have an electric bill, I can tell you that much! I would have solar panels and anything else I could get to take the edge off.

However, the "green kick" you are speaking of is just a bunch of bullshit as far as I can tell. It's all half-assed and done for the wrong reasons for the most part.

China, and the rest of the countries...
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There is a vast array of problems with China and other countries and how we trade with them and trade imbalance and fair trade and trade deficits, etc.


In response to what the butcher said, beef is going to be really high here shortly. 4weight calves just sold for $1.74 on the hoof, at the local auction yard last week. Beef on the rail in 02 was $1.60. Ya, beef is going to be pricey, herd numbers are as low as they have ever been in history too...
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Well, in all of the supermarkets around here, I cannot really find high quality beef that is worth what they want for it. We don't eat a lot of beef anymore because of it. It's been on the wane for half a decade now.

The biggest thing killing this country is entitlement, people think they are entitled to healthcare, food, welfare, and whatever else. You are entitled to EARN it and that is it. I feel no sympathy for people on the govt dole. We need to abolish all those programs, make those people look for jobs, and be productive, they are bleeding this country. And if they dont want to work, screw them, let them starve, thats cold hearted I know. But you reape what you sow. I am flat sick and tired of kicking out 25% of what I EARN, to feed some sob, who doesnt want to work because they have a cancker sore, or because they dont know how. You know what happens if I dont work, I dont eat. Plane and simple! You dont work, fine, starve.
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This is the wail of the conservative and I used to say the same things. Unfortunately for me, I was wrong about a lot of things. What we put out in welfare is absolutely nothing to what we put out in corporate welfare and welfare we give to other countries, including our enemies. So, I vehemently disagree with you and I feel as though the facts support what I have to say.

I don't hate Americans who are down on their luck. I don't hate the disabled. I don't wish for them to get sick and die. I'm sorry you do. I'm sorry you cannot see that our welfare programs are a drop in the bucket compared to our overseas aid programs and the corporate welfare going on.

There are four or five unemployed people for every available job that gets created or freed up from someone retiring or whatever. People like yourself scream all the time about people going out and getting a job, there aren't any and most of them that are available don't pay a damned thing.

"Earn?"

This country has been kicking working people in the face for over a decade now. Between downsizing, outsourcing and illegal immigration, we are in some deep trouble right now. And as long as people continue to think as you do, it's not going to get any better.

You cannot make people be responsible for themselves unless you create an environment where they can be, THEN you can be judgmental about people who CAN work but will NOT work. Then I agree with you. As it stands right now, no I do not agree.

In The Preamble to The Constitution, it directs "promote the general welfare." That doesn't mean "food stamps" but it does mean that one of the jobs of government, another being providing for the common defense, is to create the environment where people who wish to work can succeed. I'm fairly certain the Founding Fathers of this country would be against what is going on.

You cannot on one hand demand for people to "get a job" and "be responsible" and on the other hand let millions, tens of millions, of jobs go overseas and then let a large amount of your lower skilled workers go by the wayside due to millions of illegal aliens flooding the workforce. What you desire is impossible. People cannot be responsible for themselves when the responsibility is MONEY and they cannot make enough because the cost of everything is so high. Rent, fuel, transportation, health insurance...sometimes I wonder what people are thinking when they write such things.

The answer is to bring jobs back here, as I said yesterday in this thread, and make us prosper. From the guy that cleans the toilets so the suits can park their ass on it to the suits themselves. Not something for nothing, value for value, that's the way it should be.
 
ubet said:
The sky is falling the sky is falling.

In all seriousness, obama even said he doesnt have a problem with $5 fuel, just has a problem with how it got there. Fuel is on the rise, and its gonna be over 5 close to 6 I would guess this summer. We are going to have to drill for it to go down, but guess what, the regime wants the high fuel. This country is f***ed untill we pull our heads out of our asses and get off this whole green kick. China, and the rest of the countries that are keeping their currency deflated on purpose, and substudised, is what is killing us.

In response to what the butcher said, beef is going to be really high here shortly. 4weight calves just sold for $1.74 on the hoof, at the local auction yard last week. Beef on the rail in 02 was $1.60. Ya, beef is going to be pricey, herd numbers are as low as they have ever been in history too, which is contributing to this, along with dairys arent being substudised anymore, and going broke, they have sold off a lot of their numbers, which tanked the prices a couple years ago. But now they are back up because they arent dumping their culls onto our market.

America is guilty of keeping food prices low because of substedies. Now that they are talking about cutting them for farmers (which I agree with) they will have to be able to make a living off what they grow, not off what they dont. Food prices are going to go up if they cut substedies, but they will level out, then go back down somewhat.

The biggest thing killing this country is entitlement, people think they are entitled to healthcare, food, welfare, and whatever else. You are entitled to EARN it and that is it. I feel no sympathy for people on the govt dole. We need to abolish all those programs, make those people look for jobs, and be productive, they are bleeding this country. And if they dont want to work, screw them, let them starve, thats cold hearted I know. But you reape what you sow. I am flat sick and tired of kicking out 25% of what I EARN, to feed some sob, who doesnt want to work because they have a cancker sore, or because they dont know how. You know what happens if I dont work, I dont eat. Plane and simple! You dont work, fine, starve.
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You should not paint everyone with the same brush. The poor are powerless, so everyone wants to attack them and can't change a thing, while the rich give themselves more tax breaks, more corporate welfare then anyone can imagine, Global domination (NWO) which is breaking us along with are good buddies, Communist China. They make and break the rules at will for their advantage. The money pimps of the Stock exchange and throw out the bums you have in Washington left and right and start electing people with some morals and common folk who know what it's like to be poor and middle class. Other than that, Grow a garden, Go after those Deer and Hogs everyone complains about and put some meat and veggies in your freezer, it helps a lot. As for as gas and oil, all speculation and hedge funds, which should be outlawed. We bailed out the mega rich and not one lost a dime of their personal money, lavish lifestyles and huge bonuses for doing nothing more than being the creeps they are however, not one financial reform has went through and it's back to business as usual. There should be seperation of business and State, just like there is seperation of religion and state for the same reasons. I don't doubt 6.00 dollar gasoline, there is no shame with their greed anymore.:thumbdn:
 
We have one of the biggest if not the biggest oil reserve in the world right in montana. Even, the usgs agrees to that fact. There is alot of mystery surrounding the bakken reserve. Some say the environmentalists are keeping them from drilling there, some say those same environmentalists are funded by opec? Alot of the conspiracy websites say the gov't wants to keep that as a wartime reserve or bargaining chip. I take it all with a grain of salt.

I really think that big oil has no motivation to drill it while they are making huge profits. I was reading the price of crude would drastically drop if they did.
 
With so much money involved, I don't think the intelligent person can actually believe anything that the oil companies or their opposition in the environmental movement have to say. It's a sad state of affairs, but I think that is the truth. I have watched very slick liars from The American Petroleum Institute go on C-SPAN's Washington Journal and lie through their teeth time and time again. The people that constantly oppose them are no better.

Has anyone, in the history of "oil," heard of a poor oilman? There is a whole lot of bullshit going on in this country and this thread has not even scratched the surface of it.

I fear that people like "ubet" are going to get the country they want. Although they think it is a great idea, they're not going to like it when it happens. What they desire has very violent ramifications beyond their imaginings. Starving people in a country like this just don't put it down and "die." They know the greatness of this country and if things get really bad and they come unglued, you can think that rifle and stocked up beef jerky is going to help you, but it won't for long.

I love my country and I want her strong again. I want the American People to prosper and have a good life. I want the pursuit of happiness to mean something again instead of just being something stupid and jingoistic.

I want greatness for my country.

Wal-Mart jobs are not going to do that. And blaming the powerless as if they are the problem is just wasting time.
 
So much easier to blame the poor, that's why everyone does it. I has become fashionable to do so and to steer folk's in the wrong direction. If you go after the ones that are really responsible....... your going to have a fight on your hands, a real fight that most are afraid to even think about.
 
It's only one thing to think about, but it seems to be totally "sane" to pay our enemies not to fight us but for some reason...well, finish the sentence...it's a lengthy one. :)
 
The simplest solution to the toxic asset problem is to inflate the price of everything until the assets are no longer toxic.

Print any money lately ?
 
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Grow your own. Become a producer, not just a consumer. It's very easy to keep a few hens for eggs, or have a 15'x15' garden. Plant some nut or fruit trees. Every little effort helps.
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Don, We need to abolish all welfare, welfare for other countries, welfare for our enemies, welfare for people who just want to live on it and not get a job. (Their needs to be some type of welfare net, but it needs to be for a short time, not unlimited.) As far as the disabled, we are/were a rich country, we have the responsibility to support those whe are TRULY disabled and cant work. The most important thing we could do, is to bring jobs back into the USA, if thats not possible, we need to cut the red tape and make it so its affordable for them to operate here. Then we need to increase our tarrifs with countries like China and others, ecspecially mexico.

Super X, you complain about the rich getting tax breaks. Did you know that the wealthiest 1% pay over 50% of the taxes in the US, the top 10% pay 80-90% of the taxes in America, I think they pay more than their far share. Have you ever been hired to work by a poor person? The rich are the ones who spend the most money, and when they spend money, its first to make more money, which is by creating jobs. Even if not, they buy new cars, they buy jewlery, they buy planes, they buy boats, go to dinners, and hundreds of other things. All those things, put money back into our economy. I dont have a lot of money, but I do not begrudge those who do, they have worked hard, or been lucky. If it were up to me, they wouldnt have to pay a dime, neither would you, or I. Govt has no right, to take from us, what we earn legally.The banks, Wall Street, and GM, never should have been bailed out, if they fail, then they fail, the country would have been stronger for it. But with GM, unions got bailed out, you and I footed the bill. I agree, their should be no futures market, and we need to kick out a lot more of the DC elite, but the same types in state govt need to be booted too. You talk about the bonuses they got, after the bailout, they were obligated in contracts to pay those, govt gave them the money to "do bussines as usual" so they did what they were contractionaly obligated to do. Blame govt, not bussines. We have some of the highest bussiens taxes in the world, why do you think bussines has left the country, money is like water, it takes the path of least resistance, which is countries with cheaper labor, and lower taxes, we could probably get a lot of it back if we went onto a flat tax system, say 0% for the first 5 years of a bussines start up inside the USA, then to 5 or 10% for everyone including blue collar Americans. The rich you demonize, are going to jump on the oppurtunity and start creating jobs rapidly. Even if they dont, they are going to have more in their pockets, and are going to be throwing it around, and that means more jobs in the long run. Trickle down economics works, its what Reagan did, and we flourished.

On the drilling, just the threat of Bush opening up anwar, prices fell. Imagine if we actually went through with it what would happen, $30 crude again? Oil is like anything, supply and demand, right now, the supply is low, because we are ostriches with our heads shoved in the sand, while demand is high, and its only going to rise. OPEC is jerking us around, we open up offhsore, the reserve in Mt, anwar, and I guarantee they would be scared. The main problem we have, is refineries, they have seen so much red tape, and havent built a new one for other 30 years. We need to get those up and on line, simultaneusly while drilling and exploring. The more supply their is, the more the price is going to drop.

We do need to look into solar, I think its a great way to go, my reference to the green kick, was not real clear. It was in reference to all the regulations bussines sees in this country. Logging, oil, mining and such. We should be investing in nuclear power too, and mining our own uranium and not be relying on buying it from Russia (I cant believe after the cold war we are now doing that). Solar, wind and water are promising, but expensive. The kick of electric cars is rediculous, electricity is produced with oil and coal, two things that enviros hate. Ethanol based fuel is just going to drive up the cost of food, we are going to throw a lot of land into producing corn, that would normally produce other crops, that will raise the price of other vegetables. Their is not enough land inside the USA and its territories, to produce enough corn, to power every vehicle in America. So to me, thats not a viable option. If they could figure out a way to make vehicles nuclear powered AND SAFE, that will be the way of the future, unless something else pops up. Green technology, is a fad right now, and a way for a few people to get rich.

Wow, I havent typed that much at once since college.
 
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