For big bucks it should PERFECT!

I called Emerson customer service about the loose/rattling stop pin. They do acknowledge it and said I could send it in or I could just put a dab of loctite on both sides. I just used a tiny bit of teflon tape and it's no longer loose.
 
Liu Kang said:
hmmm... don't take this personally but I thought when I read the title and it said "big bucks" that you had gotten one of Mr. Emerson's custom from the online auction. It's not really all that much money for a knife, back a few years ago, I would have been in the same boat as you but have been looking around. And I'm sure it will function very well, as most of his knives do. If you are going to use it, then it only needs to do it's job, and if you wanted it to look great, you should choose to get a gentleman's knife. So just use it like you want to, hard and whenever you want to and should it fail, it does have a great warranty and they will take care of you should it fail to function. Good luck and enjoy!
Dan
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Since when is $200+, especially in this economy not alot of money. For $200 on a production folder there should be close to no flaws as most other production companies can follow that rule. People should get there moneys worth.
 
cevtv said:
Because you are too busy whining.
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You have to be kidding. A man has a problem with a knife, many others have experienced the same issue, and yet instead of addressing and accepting this issue as something that the MFG should fix before its shipped to dealers, you instead place the blame on the consumer. Fanboy extraordinaire.
 
I wish I didn't have to locktite or teflon tape the pivot screws with all my Emersons. My Spyders all come with smooth actions.
 
glockfire said:
Since when is $200+, especially in this economy not alot of money. For $200 on a production folder there should be close to no flaws as most other production companies can follow that rule. People should get there moneys worth.
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define "flaws", i have seen BM's, spydies, kershaw, MT, PT, etc etc in the $200 range with what some would consider "flaws", mostly F&F issues, i agree EKI is a bit coarser than some (spyderco has pretty good F&F for a production imho, even the cheaper ones) but its hard to get one perfect on a consistent basis, where even the most descriminating agree theres no flaws, and imho those that are perfect are the exception vs the rule, and thats on most any brands, and probably a pretty large % of customs, too, in fact, i havent seen but a couple of knives i would consider close to flawless and they were not productions, its just hard to do.

i have seen pics of knives folks were griping about with flaws so insignificant i wouldnt even notice them, they did though.
 
Ok lets try and keep this civil and that inlcudes me too. Look the fit is decent but the finish leaves alot to be desired imho. For all of the years I have owned EKI's it hasn't changed much but it has changed some, not to a great degree but to a degree none the less. As for my Super C, first thing I cut with it was a thick zip tie holding a pressure guage for recharging my a/c. Put a tiny chip in the blade, but that was due to being ground so damn thin.

So reprofiled it at a steeper angle, this took some time but it came out superb and is still a razor but with more polished edge. In other words the edge cantle isn't as wide as it was but is somewhat narrower . Polished the edge up pretty good and now has a bit of meat behind it and well is very very sharp. Still kept the same general edge width too which is kind of weird how it worked but it did. Ok so now I have a good cutter with a more robust edge and am happy once again which I wasn't when I cut the zip tie. keepem sharp

PS my biggest bitch with the knife as stated was with the tooling marks left on the ricasso and the inside of the liners. Ricasso I can see and notice but the liners I don't although I know they are there. It doesn't make sense to me that with CNC machinery used today that the cosmetic aspect of the knife couldn't be better especially for the price point, which considering prod. made Emerson's is expensive no matter what one thinks an expensive is.
 
Personally I think the working knife excuse doesnt cut it either. And I believe anything over $200 is top dollar for a production knife.

The bottom line is the man is disappointed and not thrilled with his new acquisition and whether he is being picky or not is irrelevant. The man had expectations and they were not met, end of story.

I myself just received a 'new' Emerson recently and I must say I was impressed with it. I didn't examine it under a spotlight or anything but to my eye it was very nicely put together.

But the man is not happy with his new purchase and that doesn't bode well for the long term relationship between company and customer.

It is very tough to keep everyone happy all the time but I feel if a guy is not happy with a brand new knife he just received he should be able to return it to the company and have the issues addressed.

The customer is always right!
 
i think i know what you talking about with the unfinished stuff on the blade...my mini cqc-15 stonwashed isnt really finished in the area of the wave, like on the spine of the blade...i thought it was weird at first but i dont really care now...it is what it is...
 
if he isnt happy with the thing sell it and buy what ya like/want/will make ya happy.

problem solved.

i suppose its why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream, or coors and budweiser beer, what ya like and dont like is subjective and everyone has different tastes.

if its still LNIB send it back to whoever he got it from is also a thought.
 
$200 is not a lot for a quality knife, period. Kershaw, SOG and CS are cheaper because they're made cheaper. While certain elements of fit and finish may appear to be very well done, the finer points of quality- the internal design of the parts, even the pressure and angle at which they are joined, etc.- do not equal the results produced by higher-end makers, custom or production. People don't often understand Sebenzas because they seem too simple, and there's not enough complexity for them to see any evidence of high quality. That simplicity makes the Seb perfect (with the exception of the fiddly thumb lug), not to mention the fact that you can throw it, pry with it, put it through metal and it will still maintain that legendary smooth action and reliability. Regardless of what may be shown in their videos, CS knives will not do that.

Emersons are in a league of their own- they are unique because the fit and finish are admittedly poor, but the durability and performance are very high. I agree that they are overpriced, but by no means should you expect perfection for $200. Things cost money, and good things cost more money. In 2010, using 2010 money, you might be able to expect perfection in the $600 range if you don't ask for anything too fancy or decorative. Pay less, and you'll get less. That's why the Sebenza is such a marvel. For $300-400, you get quality and performance that is rarely, if ever, matched at any price.

For $200, Emersons give you exactly what you paid for.
 
I picked up another Mini-commander today. It's like all my others, and it didn't cost retail. I don't know that I'd pay the full price that some are willing to pay for an Emerson. I don't see any need to seek nor make excuses. The knives are what they are. Yes, they're working knives. Yes, they do live up to their reputation. I've found they can be had for a lot less than retail, both new and used.

More care could have been taken in finishing this one. I'm not particularly concerned, however, as I didn't buy it to put it in a glass case. I knew what I was buying when I paid, as I've a fair amount of Emersons in my safe, in my gear, and on my person. This one's no different, and it was worth more than I paid.

I always feel like I'm getting a bargain with an Emerson, and that's probably why I keep buying them.
 
i wont ever pay full retail unless its something brand new, only available at retail, and i gotta have it right now.

the last one i paid retail for was my emerson/surefire CQC8, which was new, a limited run, pretty much were going for retail and i had to have the thing, IIRC that was almost 10 yrs ago.

but for most knives (not just EKI) i wont pay retail, its usually not neccesary anyway, & for me to do that its gotta really grab me, which it seems less and less stuff is doing these days lol, i guess i am getting to where i am happy and content with what i already have.
 
My only current gripe with Emerson is the tanto run of Super Raven. The liner rested between 95% to crossing the tang right out of box. As disappointed as I was, I saw it as an opportunity for a framelock conversion and a properly fitted Damascus blade for the factory handles. Reese Weiland has a way with pimping Emersons.
 
How the heck can you say 200 bucks is not expensive for a knife today? How can you accept anything less than perfection when the knives are pretty much all done on CNC machines to take the human element out of it? The knives are hand assembled and hand fit as I understand it but don't know that as a fact. It's made in the USA so it should be the BEST fit and finish available bar none, but you know what it ain't and accepting the fact that it is an Emerson, Strider or whatever else just because of the name just doesn't seem to make it right to me.

For instance I am looking at the finish on an old BM CQC7 and it is better than on my Super C and better than on my EKI 7b I just took delivery of. Matter of fact looking at my 7b I rec. yesterday it is marked as a 7A. Look I like Emerson knives, owned more of these than any other prod. brand bar none, my old lady bought me the Super C and for the price, which was less than retail I just thought it should have been better QC is all. Most of the knives are made on machines and outside of having a hand ground blade and individually made liners and scales, which I assume his customs have but maybe made by him on CNC machines, his prod. knives for the dollar spent should be finished better. Functionality can't be argued with other than being the number hard use knives in the world. They aren't.

Will I continue to buy EKI's after these I probably won't. I just can't justify the price for the dollar spent for the quality received. Plain and simple. More for everyone else I guess! keepem sharp
 
I'm certainly no expert on Emerson or any other brand, but since these threads keep resurfacing, I'll add my opinion, FWIW. I have owned about 5 different Emersons, and presently have 2 in my possession. Generally I like them a lot, but agree with others that the "#1 hard use knives" motto is clever marketing.

Speaking of marketing, the whole Emerson fighting system/political conservatism/kill the terrorists/philosophy stuff that comes along with the company--wow. This stuff tends to polarize the knife buying community, and although I agree with some of the Emerson philosophy, it seems to create a sub-group of fan boys who want to be part of the macho image. Own the knives that the Black Ops boys use (how could you prove/disprove this?), and that makes you one of the elite. Uh, I don't think so.

Sometimes it seems that is the problem with those who defend Emerson defects so vehemently. Of course, not all Emerson knife fans are like this. I had the pleasure of meeting someone who owns almost every Emerson custom knife made, and I got to handle those customs. The words "day and night" would be suitable in comparing the customs with the productions. When I pointed out a problem in one of my production Emersons, this guy (a huge Emerson supporter and personal friend of the owner) said: "That's the production knives for you..."

Seems to be that people hear all these great things about the knives, buy one for $200 (big bucks for production knife), and are sometimes less than pleased with the fit and finish. I have a feeling Emerson knives will not be changing their ways regarding quality control/fit and finish because there are enough people willing to still buy their knives (me included).
 
A problem exists. Bickering does not solve the problem. What can be done to solve the problem (my question mark key is broke...)
 
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