For big bucks it should PERFECT!

Well maybe Emerson can do something about the QC coming out of his prod. facility? Everyone says he reads these forums and maybe he listens maybe he don't. I would like to see a comparison of his finish on his other line of offshore knives that were being made in Taiwan. The Hardware version. Do they show better refinement of not? How about it Hardware owners.

The knives I have work like they should granted. But the finish just leaves something to be desired in my opinion and it is obvious in others as well. I mean I just picked up a 7b nib fresh etc etc. and it is marked 7A. How many made it out the door like this? Just an example, keepem sharp
 
For what it's worth, I didn't mind all the sanding, cleaning, lubing and breaking in when I got my QCQ8, and I'll be keeping it (if I ever get the blade back from Krein...).

The hours it took were fun to spend, and I got to know the knife, and felt like I made it mine by finishing it as Emerson should have done.

However, I've bought a lot of other knives since this one, all have been far superior in fit and finish, and most have been cheaper.

Those hours wouldn't be as much fun to spend if I had bought the Emerson today, after seeing that everyone else knows how to finish a knife.

So I'll be voting with my wallet and not buy another Emerson unless they improve the quality of finish.
 
The positive thing here is that if you aren't satisfied with your Emerson there is always someone who will buy it off you.
 
ya know, somehow or another, i have always gotten by with no sanding, no grinding, no big lube jobs, oh i almost forgot, ya do have to apply loctite or teflon tape to loc the pivot once ya get it adjusted to where ya want it, but other than about a nickles worth of tape and 3 mins of my time, all the EKI's i have had (certainly dozens, i couldnt tell ya ahow many since '97 or so) have been good to go outta the box, so have i just been lucky, are my expectations lower than somes, or WTF is the deal, i've had EKI CQC7's and BM 970/975's and i've always preffered the EKI, imho there aint a lotta dfifference though, sure EKI (like a lotta others) could spend a bit more time on some things here and there but overall imho they dont do too bad, imho the F&F is better now than it was 5 yrs ago, and it was better 5 yrs ago than 10 yrs ago, they really were a bit rough back in '00 or so, so imho they are improving in that area.

2 things to remember,

*EKI, like any other maker, has a lemon get by occasionally, no one has a perfect record in this regard, if a custom 'smith can have a lemon then any production company can.

*you cant please every one every time no matter how hard you try to.

though the F&F on some knives might be a tad better i for one prefer the emerson designs to most others, i like the secure grips for one thing, so if the knife is perfectly functional, with small cosmetic blemishes being the only real fault on most, material is good, lock up is good, warranty is excellent, i will overlook a small cosmetic blemish here and there to obtain the what is imho superior design.

now to each there own, different things are important to different folks to different degrees, but thats why i buy (and have bought ) EKI's for a long time now, and why i will continue to do so as long as ernie keeps the good designs with excellent grips coming.
 
I have to agree on the grip ergo's of EKI's. Probably the best for me and my hands. We just don't see eye to eye on the QC thing. I don't know maybe it stems from doing lithography most of my life at Kodak. I was anal about quality. Beats me. I'd still like to hear from someone about the QC of his Endeavor line as compared to the USA made EKI's though. keepem sharp
 
Seems to be that people hear all these great things about the knives, buy one for $200 (big bucks for production knife), and are sometimes less than pleased with the fit and finish. I have a feeling Emerson knives will not be changing their ways regarding quality control/fit and finish because there are enough people willing to still buy their knives (me included).[/QUOTE]















Yeah. Why would Emerson want to spend a little more time or money making the knives better when they can use that money to line there pockets:rolleyes:
 
When I got my Emerson Super CQC7, I thought the QC wasn't so great. For some reason, when I ordered it, I thought it would be perfect in fit and finish. I was slightly disappointed. I was an idiot.

I wont get into what I do or did for a living, or any of the shitty situations I have needed a blade for, but I will say this.

I have never and probably will never trust any person, firearm, loyal dog, truck, or blade the way I trust that knife. Period
 
Sounds like we have done the same job :thumbup:

BTW, I have my framelock modded Super CQC7 in my pocket right now.
 
Well, I read this thread from end to end and many good points were made. Speaking only from my own experience, I have never been disappointed with the F&F of any of my Emerson knives. Are they rough compared to say, a Kershaw? Damn straight. But if the going got tough, I don't think I would want any other knife on me.

When I lay down my money for an Emerson, I am buying the design, the 'family like' customer service and the quality materials. If there is such a thing as a military knife, an Emerson is it. It is not designed to be pretty, although I find the grind lines to be flawless, rather it is designed to get the job done. I like that concept and so have always found that buying an EKI was money well spent. Could the F&F improve? Perhaps. Do I really care? Nope.
 
I recently watched a Chinese made counterfeit Strider being tested by a German on You-Tube. He was (and me) surprised by the punishment it took and quite frankly, I'm not sure whether the original could have done much better, and if no improvements have been made, then from the Noss test of the Strider, the counterfeit would have won over the original.

A number well-known brands on a global scale have their knives made in China and as has been said time and time again, the Chinese can make anything to any standard for a price. The counterfeit test shows that they have made great progress on HT and it is just a matter of time before they start producing their own fixed and blades and folders and QC is something they have learnt well from the West.

Made in USA must, and I say again MUST, include the best F&F and for US$200 it had better be excellent, because that is what is expected from "Made in USA" and to except anything else is simply allowing the competition to gain market share.

There are stats that for every public complaint by a buyer, there are 4-6 silent unhappy buyers who vote with their wallet.

This applies not only to knives but to every Made in USA product if you want to keep jobs in the US!?
 
i, for one, would have to see that to believe it lol.

i've never, ever, not even once seen any counterfeit anything be it watch, pen, knife, jeans, purses, whatever, perform on par with the original, it just dont happen.
 
Some people may value $200 as just papers.

Some people may value $200 as their life.

but should a knife be something that only one of these groups can be impressed with the finished product?

just saying it ;)
 
Apec said:
Think this might have been the video/reviewer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIR7jpba8VA

Pretty much a noss style test.
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wouldnt work for me, said error - try again later.

i, for one, dont take everything i see on the 'net as gospel, just because some dude posts something on youtube doesnt make it true, for all i know the guy is a SKI hater with an agenda, anyway, point being, ya cant believe everything ya see on the 'net, i will give a helluva lot more credence to what i have seen and learned going thru life vs what some dude posts on youtube.

and, imho, the odds of a fugazee anything being up to par on quality/materials/F&F/etc with the original is somewhere between slim and none.
 
Glad to see Longbow stand up for what he thought was clearly bad QC, and not back down or get upset. Level heads prevail.:thumbup:
 
mrpinkbullets said:
$200 is not a lot for a quality knife, period. Kershaw, SOG and CS are cheaper because they're made cheaper. While certain elements of fit and finish may appear to be very well done, the finer points of quality- the internal design of the parts, even the pressure and angle at which they are joined, etc.- do not equal the results produced by higher-end makers, custom or production. People don't often understand Sebenzas because they seem too simple, and there's not enough complexity for them to see any evidence of high quality. That simplicity makes the Seb perfect (with the exception of the fiddly thumb lug), not to mention the fact that you can throw it, pry with it, put it through metal and it will still maintain that legendary smooth action and reliability. Regardless of what may be shown in their videos, CS knives will not do that.

Emersons are in a league of their own- they are unique because the fit and finish are admittedly poor, but the durability and performance are very high. I agree that they are overpriced, but by no means should you expect perfection for $200. Things cost money, and good things cost more money. In 2010, using 2010 money, you might be able to expect perfection in the $600 range if you don't ask for anything too fancy or decorative. Pay less, and you'll get less. That's why the Sebenza is such a marvel. For $300-400, you get quality and performance that is rarely, if ever, matched at any price.

For $200, Emersons give you exactly what you paid for.
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Stuff like this is such BS, so much that I have to sound rude.
Some how when you go from $200 to $300, you knife will go from "Admittedly poor" to "perfect"??? And you are saying any improvement in quality only happens within that difference? I'd like for you to say such things to the blue-collar knife users that don't spend more than $50 and who are 98% of knife users.
 
I agree with some of the posters that $200 isn't really a lot if you are talking about high-end knives. Furthermore, Emerson knives were designed primarily as using knives, and not as pretty knives to be carried as ornaments. Yes i agree that the fit and finish isn't as refined as compared to other knives, but the fit and finish isn't exactly the key selling point of their knives. To me, their main selling points are, great ergonomics; wave; chisel grind, and the research and design that went into the knives. If you are looking at refined fit and finish, perhaps you should just look elsewhere. To me, its like buying a Ferrari Enzo and feeling cheated that for the amount of money you paid, you should have a car that could seat more passengers.

Regards,
Nick
 
Haze said:
My only gripe with Emerson knives is the F&F. I don't care if you think an EKI is expensive or not, they cost enough to have one expect something a bit cleaner IMO. Removing the laser cutting marks from the liners and getting the G-10, spacer and liners all flush usually takes me all of 15-20 minutes. I doubt the extra "cleaning up" would make a dent in the EKI production process that would be worth even mentioning.

This whole "it's a working knife so it's OK" excuse is BS. ALL knives are working knives, they're one of mans oldest tools for goodness sake ! That fact dosn't mean you should just bump off the finishing touches and say "it's good enough".

I obviously like Emerson knives and will continue to buy and use them as I have for years now but I have always had the same thoughts about the F&F, as many EKI users do.
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hey everyone im currently looking at getting my first emerson, ive read enough on these forums about what to expect from it in terms of F&F, im just wondering what exactly you guys do to clean your knives up a bit when you first get them?
 
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