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I like the words of Segoyewatha - thanks to quote them in your posting!

I am not so good in English - if this following Q of mine is not properly phrased - please forgive me and just forget it!
  • Is there any Indian Moslem now?
  • Do you have any face to face conversation with any Moslem before?
  • Do you know that there were Indian Moslem before and during the arrival of "White People" to North America?

 
Just wondering where the obligatory khukuri reference is in this discussion...

Aside from the smithy....

Harry

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The khukuri is steeped in Hindu religion and culture and the ones we sell are blessed by Hindu kamis who pray for the recipient of the blade,

praying he will never have to kill another with it,

praying it will always serve him well and make his life better,

praying that he will never draw the blade in anger,

praying that he will find the blade to his liking and perhaps buy another so that the starving might have a little food to eat,

praying that the owner might in some way "connect" with the makers of the blade and feel a remote friendship and spiritual bond,

and praying for the physical well being, the spiritual peace, the emotional happiness, and intellectual growth of the owner of the blade.

They may be low caste Hindus but the kamis seem to know how to toss up a decent prayer as well as anybody I know.

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Uncle Bill
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I've taken the khukuri blessing to heart, especially the part about not drawing in anger. I didn't buy one to kill with it, I bought it to chop up wood for bonfires over which to visit with friends and family. I bought it to clear paths through the woods. I bought to clear intrusive growth. This was what the kamis had intended for us to do with the khukuris they have made us. To use them for evil would be very bad karma for those who made them as well as the evil doers. Not wanting to bring guilt upon the kamis, I am happy to follow their blessing requests. Hindus have no morals, a laughable claim.

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Wonders if the path to Heaven is paved with bad intentions...

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One of the Southern Baptist leaders. The exact claim was "no concept of responsibility" or something like that. Hindus having no morals is what they are saying in my opinion. Any way it was said, it is obviously ignorant. Bill or Howard should sent them a copy of the Kami section of the Khukuri FAQ.
 
Senator: some Southern Babtists said it. Go read the original linked article that started all this.

Back to the blades: holding an HI Khukuri (or in my case, the visiting kami piece) I can be quite sure it was made by a very moral individual who was happy when he made it because he was getting paid well for his work, a rarity in that part of the world. There's something "extra" that comes of that...I doubt I'm "sensitive" enough to actually feel it, but just knowing it's there is worthwhile.

And that's why this thread is NOT off-topic!

Jim
 
Senator, hope I didn't confuse you. I took the accusation of Hindus being "without personal responsibility" as saying that they had no morals. Having a sense of responsibility for one's actions is one of the most important morals to have. If one doesn't have a sense of responsibility, then in my opinion, that person doesn't truly have morals. Hope this helps, I'm not purposely putting words in the mouths of the leaders. Sorry if I've confused you.

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Hunchcha!
 
My point is this: A couple of you claimed that Baptist leaders said Hindus have no morals. In reality, a reporter claimed that that is what the prayer booklet said. No quote about morals was attributed to any Southern Baptist leader that I could find in the CNN/AP story. What was said is this:

The booklet says that Hindus have no concept of sin or personal responsibility.
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I'm willing to bet that there's more to this "quote" than we're being told. Remember, these are the same people that reported a while back that Southern Baptist leaders were Neanderthals because they wanted "wives to submit to their husbands." This story received many weeks of airtime and everyone had a good chuckle... In reality, the news stories could not have been further from the truth. The news agencies "conveniently" left out the real intent of the SB's "submision" statement. For anyone who cares to know what that really was, click <a href="http://www.sbc.net/articles/1998/09/sla2.asp?ReturnURL=http://www.sbc.net/bpSearch.asp">here</a>

In some things semantics and interpretation make all the difference in the world.

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You know, the Senator's got a point. It's likely the media mangled the pronouncements of the SBs at least half as bad as they mangle what's said by the pro-gun crowd.

As someone who's been tracking outright media lies in RKBA, I'd say this is highly likely. I've personally seen censorship, lies, all kinds of crap.

Jim
 
Read it and agree with it. Any person who believes that Christ died for their sins and is the one true way must believe that any other way is indeed "spiritual darkness". Notice that I did not say any person who claims to be a Christian or attends a Christian church.
 
"Thou art the dark blue butterfly, and the green parrot with red eyes. Thou art the thunder-cloud, the seasons and the oceans. Thou art without beginning and beyond all time and space. Thou art He from whom all the worlds are born." -Shvetashvatara Upanishad, 4.4.
The world could do with a little more of that kind of spiritual darkness, brother. Read it and believe.
 
By an odd coincidence I found this while reading the other day, it seems to fit.

"MORAL CRUSADE: Public activity undertaken by middle-aged men who are cheating on their wives or diddling little boys. Moral crusades are particularly popular among those who are seeking power for their own personal pleasure, politicians who can't think of anything useful to do with their mandates and religious professionals suffering from a personal inability to communicate with their god. In military terms, a diversionary tactic." [John Ralston Saul, "The Doubter's Companion"]

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Hi Mohd.
I don't know of any American Indian Moslems,but there may be. I am from at least two tribes and possible three.Two of the tribes,the Cherokee and the Creek have similar Cerimonies.
The Osage were a plains people and said to be related to what some people call the Sioux. The modern American Indian individual is free to make up thier own mind as to what they believe.
The old ways of our peoples are still practiced in many areas for those that want to be as thier forefathers before them.

I do know a man from the Middle East that is Moslem.We have done some Ceremony together.He has went with my brother and me to gather some plants we use in Ceremony and for healing.His name is Bashear.Please forgive any mistakes in my spelling. That is how his name is pronounced. Bashear has also been in my Sweatlodge and done Ceremony with us that way too and in his own language praying to Allah. All are welcome here.
Bashear is a good man and very true to his belief. We have great admiration for each other. We both feel we are on the path that is correct for each of us and that we can be friends without thinking the other is doomed.

The only thing I have ever heard about any Moslem being in this country long ago was from another Moslem that was perhaps one of those you mentioned about being fundamental and some other things. He was on an Indin news group and causing some havoc there.
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It is not my peoples way to proselytize and some of us are very protective of our beliefs.There are some people who are not of our blood charging money for so called Ceremonies.These people have maybe read a book or been to one of the Ceremonies and then think they know how to do it.Some of these people have caused some serious injuries and even death has resulted because these people didn't know what they were doing.



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Khukuri FAQ


 
Matthew 7:1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
7"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.


 
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