Forge heat treat on cpm d2.

Taz said:
Bos Heat Treating is still going at Buck knives, just sent 23 blades there. I usually go to Jarod for HT (especially with carbon steels oil quenched steels due to Bos limitations on length for those), but one of the blades in the batch was borderline for fitting into his cryo freezer. Texas Knife will temper everything to the same rockwell, (58-59 IIRC), so if you want a higher HRC on your blade, you are out of luck.
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Yeah. I'm not interested in 58 rockwell 10v. I'll pass on them then.
 
I guess I missed some drama? Oh well.

Is Bos affordable? Idk who Jarod is. I liked the price of the texas knifemakers, but having it done to 58 or 59 with no option to go higher is not great. I honestly believe in could get a higher rockwell if I did it myself at that point.
 
They come and go. That one was a "blaze of glory". Sorry you had to endure it on your thread.

Jarod Todd dot com.
 
This was the price list I got from Paul Farner, who runs Bos Heat Treating now. The price list on their website was out of date as of Mid December, not sure if they have updated it yet or not?

Minimum Charge

- Heat treating of up to 20 blades: $ 95.00

- Each blade over 20: $4.75 up to 100 blades, then $3.75 a blade after 100 blades

- up to 500. After 500 $2.75 A blade. Or Quotes.

- Mixed Materials: $15.00

Single blades​

- Each blade $20.00

Maximum of 4 blades $80.00

Tempering​

- Triple tempering: additional charge $20.00

- Folder springs and folder parts tempered back to spring temper: $1.50 each

Additional Charge-

Blades over 10 inches: .75¢ per inch additional

- Max length air quench material 36” long.

- Mixed batches of materials (will advise)

- Extensive cleaning or straightening before heat treating: $75.00/hour for labor.

- Normalize up to 20 blades $ 25.00.

- Annealing $ 50.00 up to 20 blades, each blade over 20 $ .60 a blade up to 100 blade.

Oil Quench​

Max length blade 12” from butt to tip.

Handling​

- Handling charge (packaging): $7.50 per package.

Shipping​

- Shipping charges will be determined based on your preference (ground, air, overnight)

Payment​

Payment is not required in advance, but is due on receipt of invoice.

A $5.00 service charge will be added if payment is not received within 30 days.

Jarod Todd is also very reasonable price wise and can do longer oil quenched steels, too. Jarod has discounts for multiple blades and they don't need to be the same steel grade to get the discounts, either. It was $105 shipped back to me for 7 Nitro V fillet knives, 12" long OAL from Jarod. Another batch of a variety of blades, steels and lengths was 18 blades for $182 shipped back, so just over $10 per blade. For quantity discount at Peters, they need to be the same steel.
 
Keith Nix said:
They come and go. That one was a "blaze of glory". Sorry you had to endure it on your thread.

Jarod Todd dot com.
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I didn't get to see what be said. Either way it's fine. I've been around forums before. Just not this one.
Taz said:
This was the price list I got from Paul Farner, who runs Bos Heat Treating now. The price list on their website was out of date as of Mid December, not sure if they have updated it yet or not?

Minimum Charge

- Heat treating of up to 20 blades: $ 95.00

- Each blade over 20: $4.75 up to 100 blades, then $3.75 a blade after 100 blades

- up to 500. After 500 $2.75 A blade. Or Quotes.

- Mixed Materials: $15.00

Single blades​

- Each blade $20.00

Maximum of 4 blades $80.00

Tempering​

- Triple tempering: additional charge $20.00

- Folder springs and folder parts tempered back to spring temper: $1.50 each

Additional Charge-

Blades over 10 inches: .75¢ per inch additional

- Max length air quench material 36” long.

- Mixed batches of materials (will advise)

- Extensive cleaning or straightening before heat treating: $75.00/hour for labor.

- Normalize up to 20 blades $ 25.00.

- Annealing $ 50.00 up to 20 blades, each blade over 20 $ .60 a blade up to 100 blade.

Oil Quench​

Max length blade 12” from butt to tip.

Handling​

- Handling charge (packaging): $7.50 per package.

Shipping​

- Shipping charges will be determined based on your preference (ground, air, overnight)

Payment​

Payment is not required in advance, but is due on receipt of invoice.

A $5.00 service charge will be added if payment is not received within 30 days.

Jarod Todd is also very reasonable price wise and can do longer oil quenched steels, too. Jarod has discounts for multiple blades and they don't need to be the same steel grade to get the discounts, either. It was $105 shipped back to me for 7 Nitro V fillet knives, 12" long OAL from Jarod. Another batch of a variety of blades, steels and lengths was 18 blades for $182 shipped back, so just over $10 per blade. For quantity discount at Peters, they need to be the same steel.
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It looks like they need to update it still. The site said 15 for single blades I believe. It's still not bad at 20, and at least I'll have the options of a target hrc
 
Yeah, just checked the site and it was old info still. They got hit with COVID in December and have been playing catch up since then. Their website says 5-8 days turn around, so I am curious to see how long it takes for mine to be done since it is a mixed batch. I used Bos many years ago when they were still in CA with Paul Bos running it and it was a quick turn around usually and top notch work done.

Jarod Todd is backed up order wise for HT stuff according to his website. You may be able to find a maker near you that would let you send some stuff with their HT batch or find a maker local to you that can do the HT for you as well for other options?
 
Taz said:
Yeah, just checked the site and it was old info still. They got hit with COVID in December and have been playing catch up since then. Their website says 5-8 days turn around, so I am curious to see how long it takes for mine to be done since it is a mixed batch. I used Bos many years ago when they were still in CA with Paul Bos running it and it was a quick turn around usually and top notch work done.

Jarod Todd is backed up order wise for HT stuff according to his website. You may be able to find a maker near you that would let you send some stuff with their HT batch or find a maker local to you that can do the HT for you as well for other options?
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Maybe. I'll do some looking around. It's going to be a minute. I have to get some money together to do get it done. Another reason I was doing it myself. Everything adds up. I hope I can somehow start saving for an oven. Or more likely make my own, if I'm being realistic. I was hoping to get a dewor for my next purchase. To help with possible retained austinite with my own ht. I guess I'll put that off until after I get an oven.
 
There should be lots of knife makers near you that would probably be willing to help you heat treat a few blades?
 
Taz said:
There should be lots of knife makers near you that would probably be willing to help you heat treat a few blades?
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Maybe. I just need to find them. I don't know of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are quite a few that stay here.
 
I just googled Houston Texas Knife Makers and a bunch came up. Serenity Knives, Phenix Knives, Paul Lusk, Jason Fry are a few that popped up.
 
An update for you guys. I put a good bit of money, and a ton of work into it, and built my own heat treat kiln. I used a lot of red beard ops. Designs, but changed a few things around. I made the inner chamber smaller, it's still long but only about 4x4.5 inches wide. I couldn't put as much insulation on the sides, because of the width of the angle iron I used to make the frame, and the amount I had to work with. That's the main thing I would change if i could.

I had to use 110 volts, and I could only find 18 way kanthal, so I decided running two coils in parallel would be my best bet. Used an auber pid. The one that has the ramp function. So if I really wanted to I could anneal.

I managed to get it up to 1950 to heat treat my 10v knives. I plate quenched in my modified woodworking vise, that I cool before with dry ice. Then got the knives into a dry ice slurry as quickly as I could following that.

I'm currently working on them now. One I ground mostly before hardening. The other I only profiled before. To see which I will prefer in the future.
 
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