Forged In Fire

Ebbtide said:
Hamon without clay is properly referred to as a
'temper line'... correct?
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Here is one of Nicks with no clay.

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AVigil said:
When they claimed you could not get a hamon without clay, I said out loud "Tell that to Nick Wheeler" LOL
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Haha, I know same here! I was thinking, why is J Nielsen saying that you can't get a hamon that way?!! You'd think he would know that plenty of guys do, even if not on purpose. Also, it's pretty hard not to get at least some sort of "auto-hamon" when quenching a shallowing hardening steel that is good for hamon formation and has a coss section that tapers towards the edge (the bevels), it actually seems more difficult to NOT get any activity but istead achieve full hardness from edge to spine... I remember Nick discussing that a while back that he was trying pretty hard to not get any activity at all.
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In my opinion, without using clay, it seems proper to say that even a straight, subtle line is a hamon as long it wasn't edge quenched, but instead was fully submersed in the quenchant, as Dave's blade was, and instead the "hamon" comes about by time, temperature and geometry... Just how I feel though. :)

Anyway, I really enjoyed last nights episode as well! This time, there's only one part that bugged me a just a little :D ;) . It was how they where measuring the depths of the cuts afer chopping into the log and using that as a form of judging criteria. The thing is, they were only told to make a blade within a specific length, and obviously one that would "cut", not to make a chopper though. After the first round, the martial arts guy gave a negative critique that Peter's blade was too forward heavy and that it felt, "too much like a chopper".. :confused: !! Anyway, all I'm saying is that if it weren't for the fact that Matt Venier's plunges and edge were off center, I would've felt that he got screwed over since his blade was the least chopper-esque out of the three being tested. But that's my only nitpick regarding last nights episode, other than that it was pretty exciting to watch! :thumbup: :)

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Here's a good vid by Nick on that process:

[video=youtube;aMxUp99Pnbc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMxUp99Pnbc[/video]

Edit: Sorry, I posted the wrong video.. fixed it though :)


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I've enjoyed all the episodes to some degree. But then again, I'm a blade head with absolutely no metal work ability (beyond sharpening). So even if it is staged a bit, I'm impressed with the abilities shown. All of them, even the ones kicked out early for somewhat insignificant reasons. But agree, this last episode was my favorite. I thought the forge welded sword pattern was absolutely beautiful.
 
Here is a vid showing one of his no clay hamon's.. It might even be the same blade in his hardening video posted above:

[video=youtube;D0QV7kGUHGQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0QV7kGUHGQ[/video]

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Here is a video of Nick and a no clay hamon


[video=youtube;v9EpItK01hQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9EpItK01hQ[/video]
 
Cajun Kamikaze said:
Tell me about this square tubing technique you speak of.
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The square tubing needs to stick out the front and the back doors of the forge an inch or two and be a large enough size that the sword blade can be drawn in and out of the tubing. In David's case a 3" would have been the right size. There is no hot flame on the steel but instead a nice even heat fairly low on oxygen as a bonus.
The lights in the shop should be turned down to see the true colors of the sword blade. This is a good way to normalize, stress relieve and finally heat for quenching. You can temper this way too but only after polishing to silver color so a straw color can be seen.
 
MarkJeffrey said:
because who wants to watch a couple guys that know what they're doing ACTUALLY just make a knife.
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LOL I'll bet I've watched almost every youtube video of just that. I don't care for scripting or drama, just good old fashioned people doing what they love to do, and being nice enough to video it.
I am running out of knife videos though, it seems as if I've seen almost all of them. I find a maker I like to watch, then quickly watch all of his work, then move on to the next. It sucks that they all upload so sparingly, but hey, I understand it takes time to record, produce, upload, etc, and they just don't have the time.
 
Really enjoyed this most recent episode. The skill level of the participants was easily the highest shown so far.
 
kamagong said:
Really enjoyed this most recent episode. The skill level of the participants was easily the highest shown so far.
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Agreed, Christian, the second place guy would have probably won any of the other shows. And yes, the winning sword was a beauty!
 
Thank you all for the explanation & the videos.
Seems like the show is edging away from being so failure oriented.
A good thing for sure.
 
Bruce Bump said:
The square tubing needs to stick out the front and the back doors of the forge an inch or two and be a large enough size that the sword blade can be drawn in and out of the tubing. In David's case a 3" would have been the right size. There is no hot flame on the steel but instead a nice even heat fairly low on oxygen as a bonus.
The lights in the shop should be turned down to see the true colors of the sword blade. This is a good way to normalize, stress relieve and finally heat for quenching. You can temper this way too but only after polishing to silver color so a straw color can be seen.
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Thank you much Bruce!
 
Cajun Kamikaze said:
Yea, because car doors are considered armor :confused:
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I don't think that was his Point.

I agree that they should tell the people what the tests will be. It would demonstrate how and why different designs do different things.

They don't have to say exactly the test but just like the 'specially designed sharpness or strength tests' they could say 'specially designed slicing/stabbing/thrusting/chopping etc test'.
 
Cajun Kamikaze said:
Yea, because car doors are considered armor :confused:
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What?? Haha, talk about missing the point (pun intended). People like car analogies, here's one that might clear up that confusion. It's like taking a luxury sedan off road and criticizing it for being a poor rock crawler.
 
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