Forumites Dissapoimt Me !!

Well, it's usually too sweet, or the wrong texture, poor crust...

But it's really good, sometimes. So I keep ordering it, because when it's really good, nothing's better.

John
 
Glad y'all liked that. :D Just we were starting to talk about the French and the UK's laws. Thought I'd introduce a little thread drift ;)
 
Hey, it worked out for me....while everyone else was going back and forth, UB emailed me and asked if I wanted to buy the steals of the day?

So I said sure why not, everyone else seems busy......so I bought them all!! :D :D

Then I woke up with my head on the desk with a little pool of drool......I knew it was too good to be true!!
 
fenryr said:
Hey, it worked out for me....while everyone else was going back and forth, UB emailed me and asked if I wanted to buy the steals of the day?

So I said sure why not, everyone else seems busy......so I bought them all!! :D :D

Then I woke up with my head on the desk with a little pool of drool......I knew it was too good to be true!!
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Fenryr, you had me going there for a bit. good one. Hee hee hee!
 
munk said:
A guy in England was just given 8 years in prison for stabbing an armed attacker in his home with a Samurai sword. Three men were trying to break in, and they had guns. Yet he is the one going to prison. I will not go down that path.
munk
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munk,

As has been pointed our by another person on BFC (else I wouldn't know of it) on a thread I can't find now, some salient facts of this case have not been widely disseminated for whatever reason, apparently even in the UK.

http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/lancashire/archive/2004/03/10/NEWS6ZM.html

http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/lancashire/archive/2004/03/09/NEWS7ZM.html


First published on Wednesday 10 March 2004:

Sword man got threat over phone, court told

A DRUG dealer robbed at gunpoint was told on the phone a month earlier that he was "going to get it and they would take his stuff", a murder trial was told.

Carl Lindsay, aged 25, was with a friend, Adam Prince, when he answered his mobile phone, the jury at Manchester Crown Court heard. Mr Prince said Lindsay could not identify the caller.
Around a month later, in February last year, Mr Prince and his friend Darren Pettigrew went to Lindsay's flat in Hollyoake Road, Walkden, for drugs.

Three men slipped in behind them and robbed Lindsay of cash.

But after two guns were pointed at him, Lindsay allegedly took out a Samurai sword, held it shoulder high and chased the trio out of his flat aiming blows at them.

Lindsay has pleaded not guilty to murdering the alleged gunman, Stephen Swindells, aged 33, of Harwood Court, Salford.

Mr Swindells had four main wounds, all inflicted from behind . An artery was severed causing massive blood loss and death.

Lindsay is in the dock with Darren Ashton, aged 29, of Coniston Avenue, Little Hulton; David Ryan, aged 30, of Culverwell Drive, Salford; and alleged getaway driver Michael Page, aged 25, of Trenthamlowas, Salford.

Ashton, Ryan and Page all deny robbing Lindsay of cash and having a self-loading pistol.

Mr Prince said two of the robbers had their jacket hoods up and the gunman wore a balaclava.

He did not see the sword hit anyone but two or three blows were quickly aimed before the men were out of his sight.

Mr Prince, questioned by Richard Marks QC, for Lindsay, said the robbers' conduct had been very frightening.

Afterwards, Lindsay looked profoundly shocked and the witness said he saw the blood stains on the sword. In the hallway he saw one of the guns.

While I agree with your point and was taught that firearms are pointed at what is intended to be shot, and to act accordingly, I still don't think that Lindsay is the best choice for a poster boy.
 
thanks firkin, that's not what I'd read earlier in another forum.

I'm not sure what would be 'right' in a mess like that. If they'd all died it might be best.


munk
 
munk said:
thanks firkin, that's not what I'd read earlier in another forum.

I'm not sure what would be 'right' in a mess like that. If they'd all died it might be best.


munk
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As far as I can see, the links posted are the only source that reports details of the court testimony which certainly is quite different than the story widely disseminated later upon sentencing of Lindsay. From what I can see, the latter incomplete report has lots of forums foaming at the mouth.

Why the story has been reported in this fashion is anyone's guess--the testimony certainly bolsters the prosecutions case and the sentence.

Maybe the agenda is to brainwash everyone that any form of self defense is forbidden, and that the facts (whatever they indicate) simply are irrelevant? Just lazy-*ss reporting? Who knows?

Oh yeah, the "samurai sword" had a 12" blade. I think most cutlers offer a chef's knife about that size. Apparently there would be a distinction.

The horrible drugs identified were canabis.

"Mess" is right, Darwinian selection, or an episode of "Cops"? Not a constitutional case.
 
firkin said:
Maybe the agenda is to brainwash everyone that any form of self defense is forbidden, and that the facts (whatever they indicate) simply are irrelevant? Just lazy-*ss reporting? Who knows?
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Probably being spun that way to agitate on the gun control issue. You know something like " If we let these liberals get power here in the US we could have something like this".
 
hollowdweller said:
Probably being spun that way to agitate on the gun control issue. You know something like " If we let these liberals get power here in the US we could have something like this".
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HD, I do not wish to associate the position with "liberals," but there are folks who clearly state that their goal is to eliminate private ownership of all firearms. Their, shall we say less "rigorous," allies only wish to eliminate private ownership of handguns or rifles or self-loading rifles and shotguns ("control"). We have the examples of the UK and Australia. UK knife laws ARE quite restrictive by US standards. One must make up one's own mind on these issues despite the "spin" factor from all sides.
 
Just a note on ALL reporting:


keep in mind how literally ignorant many/most/some reporters are. So...
"Toxic clouds" are really steam billows, "hazardous waste" is really cow manure, etc. Certainly not in all cases, but they write and report for drama and can be very sloppy about accurate descriptions.
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Thomas Linton said:
HD, I do not wish to associate the position with "liberals," but there are folks who clearly state that their goal is to eliminate private ownership of all firearms. Their, shall we say less "rigorous," allies only wish to eliminate private ownership of handguns or rifles or self-loading rifles and shotguns ("control"). We have the examples of the UK and Australia. UK knife laws ARE quite restrictive by US standards. One must make up one's own mind on these issues despite the "spin" factor from all sides.
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Well said. And you are right about the fact that there are people that want to. My point was sometimes people use our desire for that NOT to happen to manupulate us for other ends of their choosing.

I think population and income disparity has more to do with crime than gun ownership. Notice how the more densley populated countries and cities within the US have the most restrictive gun laws. You put too many chickens in a too small chicken coop they start pecking each other.
 
hollowdweller said:
Probably being spun that way to agitate on the gun control issue. You know something like " If we let these liberals get power here in the US we could have something like this".
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The (hand)gun control issue in the UK is a moot point, no?

As far as I can see, all the stories having to do with this case are attributable to English news services. Do a search on the name of the deceased and Lindsay...add sword or whatever if needed. Secondary sources originating from the US are mostly sites responding to the later, truncated, sentencing story (distributed here by the BBC) --and defending the 2nd ammendment using apparently woefully incomplete facts. IMO, if the facts become known, this hurts the cause of defending the 2nd amendment which I support.

Now look at my post on Nepali Maoists.

If anything is going on, there appears to me to be an atempt by the BBC to influence American opinions. Not their job.

None of our home-grown "liberals" deserve blame for this particular instance.

That doesn't make the situation any better, but that's the facts as I see them.

You'all can argue whether the BBC or British "liberals" get anything out of riling up US 2nd amendment supporters by the incomplete reporting. Concoct some consiracy theory if you're so inclined.

However you look at it, it is bogus or incompetent "news" reporting. That should be reason enough to question everything.

Kismet is right.

"We're all Bozos on this bus". I hope I know when to get off.
 
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