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fox karambit vs cold steel talwar
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Jason B.
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Well, it's not going to be easy to find the talwar as they were discontinued. I know the XL is still available most places but the 4" is getting hard to find.
The Fox is a very different knife from the CS and IMO has far less usefulness in EDC.
The Fox is a very different knife from the CS and IMO has far less usefulness in EDC.
What do you think about spyderco karambit ? İt feels like karambits are not useful in simple daily tasks ?
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Never been a fan of the k-bit, had one for a while but could never warm up to it. Cool as hell but also useless on anything but people IMO.
Spyderco and Cold Steel are great companies but I think Emerson makes the best K-bit... and I don't really like Emerson knives. The K-bit also takes special training while most regular knives can be used to great effect, even by a child.
Spyderco and Cold Steel are great companies but I think Emerson makes the best K-bit... and I don't really like Emerson knives. The K-bit also takes special training while most regular knives can be used to great effect, even by a child.
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Talwar by all means,
for all reasons (material, price/value, lock, ergos, strength, warranty, blade shape, ease of use...)
Won't disappoint, and get it while it's still available!
for all reasons (material, price/value, lock, ergos, strength, warranty, blade shape, ease of use...)
Won't disappoint, and get it while it's still available!
Are you trained in using any of those knives in SD? If not, then it doesn't matter which you choose, they will all be equally (in)effective. Grocery store steak knife will work just as (in)effectively.
For EDC? None are built for EDC tasks.
So just pick whichever you think is coolest looking.
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Talwar is the better knife for someone who has minimal to no training. Karambits are a weapon that you need training to bring the most out of them. The Talwar also is a better knife for EDC tasks as the Karambit only excels at EDC tasks that hawkbill or sickle shaped knives specialize in. The lock on the Talwar is also much better for self defense applications as it is less likely to fail. The Fox Karambit is an excellent knife nevertheless. It is extremely rare for me to hear about any problems with the Fox Karambit. Both knives have the wave feature although I think the Fox's wave is better than the Talwar's thumb-plate.
That being said the Spyderco Karambit is just an amazing knife
That being said the Spyderco Karambit is just an amazing knife
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A hawkbill blade shape is a very useful tool for hooking and grabbing, and it is definitely my go-to for trimming plants and cutting ropes or cords. But that specificity makes it less useful at cutting anything else, like slicing an apple or a steak. A straighter blade is going to be more useful over a wider variety of applications for EDC, and as for self-defense a stout walking stick or good running shoes would be more useful anyway.
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In all fairness the retention ring and curved nature of karambit would be rather effective even in a complete novices hands. For one, dropping the knife while gripped in the hand is significantly more difficult with a karambit and secondly slashing isn't rocket science. With a little muscle memory and practice drawing a waved karambit, I think it makes a formidable tool.
Personally a liner lock karambit makes my fingers scared. I heard fox moved to a lock back design for that very reason. So, go with the fox. Just my 2 cents, which ain't worth a red cent.
Im getting CQC training for a long while (so dont worry for me
) but ı dont how to use a karambit, in karambit the ring got me into it, using it at a defensive tool without deploying the knife can be better sometimesIm getting CQC training for a long while (so dont worry for me
Does it involve using a knife? Or a specific type of knife? If not, it doesn't make much difference.
And I'm not terribly sure what "using it as a defensive tool without deploying the knife" even means. You going to give someone a hammer fist to the head with it?
That liner lock scared me from fox tooIn all fairness the retention ring and curved nature of karambit would be rather effective even in a complete novices hands. For one, dropping the knife while gripped in the hand is significantly more difficult with a karambit and secondly slashing isn't rocket science. With a little muscle memory and practice drawing a waved karambit, I think it makes a formidable tool.
Personally a liner lock karambit makes my fingers scared. I heard fox moved to a lock back design for that very reason. So, go with the fox. Just my 2 cents, which ain't worth a red cent.
, ım not seeing fox for this roundEdit: ı think karambit fits novices hands too, ıf ı decide on spyderco and like it, ım thinking to buy for my girlfriend too, ıts not a big knife and it wont scare anyone too
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İt involves knife but not much as hand to hand, and why not are you thinking to kill everyone that looks at you with bad thoughts
Bad thoughts are just as effective as a knife you haven't trained with when it comes to SD. Neither are as effective as situational awareness and a good pair of running shoes.
Okay you say untrained knife can damages me more when it comes to SD, and ı think you are right, definitly right. SD is not a joke
What I am saying is that the Karambit isn't going to make you any better in a SD situation than the Talwar if you haven't trained using it. A CS Finn Wolf would be just as effective. So would a Spyderco Delica.
If your heart is set on getting something stabalicious, then, by all means, get it...it will make you happy. It wont make you a SD expert though.
The reality is that 99.99999999% of the time you will use the knife for EDC purposes. So you might as well get a functional EDC. You can hurt somebody with one of those too.
Heck, if you don't want to "deploy", like you said earlier, a nice Leatherman makes a nifty fistload.
Are you always like this ? Or are you waked up from wrong side ?
The all things that you sad, ı wasnt know them till you tell me, because ım jon snow, so thank you ygritte.
You asked us which was better. I gave my opinion.