fox karambit vs cold steel talwar

Fox karambit vs cold steel talwar

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Oromis said:
That liner lock scared me from fox too o_O, ım not seeing fox for this round

Edit: ı think karambit fits novices hands too, ıf ı decide on spyderco and like it, ım thinking to buy for my girlfriend too, ıts not a big knife and it wont scare anyone too
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I think fox uses a back lock now, I'll check.
 
To those people who keep recommending running shoes and a stout stick as better for SD, this is 100% true. However this doesn't change the fact that when having a conversation about which knife is better for SD that is what the convo is about. I almost always see someone say shoes and stick when someone is asking about an SD knife. While it is true and helpful to say if the person asking about SD knives isn't aware of it, I would think most people are aware of it but still want to ask about knives specifically.

I agree that a lockback is better and more reassuring for a karambit as fighting with a karambit it is highly likely the blade will encounter negative force, especially if it is held in the traditional method with the pointer finger through the ring. I didn't know Fox was now making karambits with lockbacks but the Spyderco karahawk is a great knife too.

As for the Karambit being used by untrained fighters.....I don't know...there are advantages and disadvantages. I think the Karambit could be used well by an untrained person if it is used pinky through the ring. However with pointer through the ring one becomes more likely to accidentally cut themselves in a struggle. Therefor I think the karambit could make a great knife in untrained hands held one way, but could be dangerous in those same hands held the other way.
 
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Oromis said:
Im getting CQC training for a long while (so dont worry for me :) ) but ı dont how to use a karambit, in karambit the ring got me into it, using it at a defensive tool without deploying the knife can be better sometimes
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One more thing using a knife in self defense, even if you never opened it, is considered to be using deadly force. So be careful in places where there are laws about using excessive force.

He is talking about using the ring of the karambit as a sort of knucke duster for those of you who are wondering what he means by using the knife unopened.
 
Damn, I wish I had known you were wanting a Talwar 2 weeks ago. I would have given you a great one. I ended up gifting it to my nephew. He loves it. It's a great knife for edc or whatever. I would definitely take it over the kbit.
 
One more thing. Although there is disagreement over whether or not serrations are suitable for self defense; there is no disagreement plain edges are suitable for self defense. Go with the plain edged Talwar if it isn't too late already.

Just my suggestion.
 
Oromis said:
Im thinking to buy a new knife for EDC and self defence, but ı cant make the last choice between fox karambit and cold steel talwar 4"


Edit : what do you guys think about spyderco karambit
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Hey Oromis ! We just did this same thing with Talwar vs AK47 and you said you were buying the Talwar . Are you just jerking us around or what ? How many Talwar vs X threads are you planning ? It's cool with me , just trying to understand where you are going with this process .

As for the Fox . Any karambit or hook type knife (Spyderco Civilian, Cold Steel Black Talon 2 and Tiger Claw for example ) are completely different from most regular knife blade patterns . They don't allow for stabbing , shanking or even much push cutting . So all your SD fighting reflexive techniques for conventional knives must be completely retrained .

Until you do substantial retraining , you'll tend to do all the wrong moves with any unfamiliar type of weapon. More harm than help for SD .
 
This whole discussion belongs in the Practical Tactical Forum .It is really a question about SD and martial styles . You are putting the cart before the horse .

To develop SD / martial skills requires training and practice . The choice of appropriate tools should come later .

It is exactly like any other field of endeavor . You don't start out to be a medical doctor by asking which stethoscope or scalpel is best . After training your choice of equipment becomes clear .

The Talwar can be used for light utility chores or SD in a conventional manner . Special training is less required . The Fox and similar knives take more special skills . They are also much less socially acceptable and even less utility oriented than the Talwar . Not a good casual EDC .
 
marcinek said:
Are you trained in using any of those knives in SD? If not, then it doesn't matter which you choose, they will all be equally (in)effective. Grocery store steak knife will work just as (in)effectively.

For EDC? None are built for EDC tasks.

So just pick whichever you think is coolest looking.
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Um, have you ever handled a talwar? Apparently not. They are outstanding slicers and the 4" will serve EDC needs as well as any other knife. Promise it will put a grocery store steak knife to shame. How did you form that opinion?
 
BenchCo Spydermade said:
Um, have you ever handled a talwar? Apparently not. They are outstanding slicers and the 4" will serve EDC needs as well as any other knife. Promise it will put a grocery store steak knife to shame. How did you form that opinion?
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I said the steak knife will work just as (in)effectively in an SD context to an untrained user. I said nothing about the steak knife vs the others in an EDC context. Please read my posts before replying to them. Thanks! :thumbsup:
 
I have held all three and owned two. I would take the newer spyderco karambit over the others hands down. Its wave feature works substantially better than any of the knives you listed.
That said...do you have training on using a karambit for self defense or plan on taking training? If so then go for it. Other options are the Pkal (probably spelling that wrong).
If you dont have any training and think its just a good idea I would suggest carrying mace for self defense over a knife. Its substantially more practical. But if you must carry a knife for self defense I would suggest the Matriarch 2. Its based off of the civilian and is a better design IMO. The wave is great and its light. The civilian and that general style blade was designed for undercover/non firearm carrying officers that didn't have much if any hand to hand combat or knife fighting skills. There's a few videos of its design and general use on the web I'm sure you could find. That blade shape is very thin and is not an EDC knife. Its purpose built for cutting people. If you did carry that I would suggest carrying a secondary knife for EDC. I would go spyderco Endura wave for a more EDC friendly knife that could be used for defense as well. The fully serrated version is my favorite but, its no longer in production
I am a big fan of the wave knives, open faster than a auto and they also open beers.
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marcinek said:
Are you trained in using any of those knives in SD? If not, then it doesn't matter which you choose, they will all be equally (in)effective. Grocery store steak knife will work just as (in)effectively.

For EDC? None are built for EDC tasks.

So just pick whichever you think is coolest looking.
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What a load of crap.
 
marcinek said:
I said the steak knife will work just as (in)effectively in an SD context to an untrained user. I said nothing about the steak knife vs the others in an EDC context. Please read my posts before replying to them. Thanks! :thumbsup:
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You said neither is built for EDC tasks. The talwar is a great edc. You are welcome.

Edit to add:. Oh, and even for self defense, I'll take the talwar over the grocery store steak knife. It's a no brainer.
 
BenchCo Spydermade said:
You said neither is built for EDC tasks. The talwar is a great edc. You are welcome.

Edit to add:. Oh, and even for self defense, I'll take the talwar over the grocery store steak knife. It's a no brainer.
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Yes, you can tell how the Talwar was designed for edc use from the copy CS used for it

During the 1800's the British Empire was hell bent on gobbling up as much of the Indian sub-continent as they could, seizing dominion with massive fire power and the point of the bayonet.

But when the British attempted to subdue the Sikhs and other martial clans they received a very rude awakening!

Suddenly soldiers and cavalrymen alike began literally losing their heads – not to mention their arms and legs- to a fearful Indo-Persian sword called the Talwar!

With it's razor sharp broad, curved blade it stopped the British cold in many battles and inflicted unheard of losses and the most ghastly wounds imaginable.

Now, almost two hundred years later Cold Steel has harnessed the fearsome cutting power of one of the world's most renowned swords in a tactical folder that we believe is truly worthy of the name Talwar.

Designed by celebrated custom knife-maker Andrew Demko and Cold Steel President Lynn C Thompson, the largest of our diverse new Talwar series boasts the widest blade available (measuring a full 2" wide!). Flat ground, with a continuously curved cutting edge from choil to upswept point it offers cutting and piercing power hitherto unavailable in a folding knife.

To compliment the Talwar's razor edge and lethal point we developed a truly exceptional handle.

Made from American G-10, it's textured and contoured pistol grip handle features strategically placed finger grooves for comfort and safety, and to further protect your precious fingers from this formidable blade, we have equipped the Talwar with our industry-leading Tri-Ad® lock. Tried and tested, this super safe locking mechanism has proven to be unequalled by any folding knife lock in the industry – at any price!
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As for as for SD, the people who use knives, how to put it, "professionally with intent" aren't huge Talwar users. Steak knives are actually quite popular among them. Me, I go with what the pros use. Though, I certainly don't know your knife based SD background, expertise, and training.
 
marcinek said:
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As for as for SD, the people who use knives, how to put it, "professionally with intent" aren't huge Talwar users. Steak knives are actually quite popular among them. Me, I go with what the pros use. Though, I certainly don't know your knife based SD background, expertise, and training.
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I somewhat agree . But you are bringing in a fixed blade and what a "professional" might use . A stick fighting master could likely best a short knife wielder given some space , so a cane beats any normal EDC knife ? Under certain conditions , yes ! Is that relevant ? Probably not .

Honestly, how often is a pro going to prefer to use any knife , let alone a folder , to do the job ? Almost NEVER .
 
OK. For a person with minimal knife-based SD training, and untrained in any specific-knife based SD training, like the OP, then the CS Talwar is a far more effective weapon than a Fox Kerambit. With the Fox you would be a goner, but with the Talwar the bad guys will run away screaming like a little girl if you don't slice them up like a Cold Steel-video brisket first.

Everybody happy now? :rolleyes:
 
marcinek said:
OK. For a person with minimal knife-based SD training, and untrained in any specific-knife based SD training, like the OP, then the CS Talwar is a far more effective weapon than a Fox Kerambit. With the Fox you would be a goner, but with the Talwar the bad guys will run away screaming like a little girl if you don't slice them up like a Cold Steel-video brisket first.

Everybody happy now? :rolleyes:
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:)Don't know about "everybody" but I sure am !:p I totally agree . Succinctly stated .;)
 
marcinek said:
OK. For a person with minimal knife-based SD training, and untrained in any specific-knife based SD training, like the OP, then the CS Talwar is a far more effective weapon than a Fox Kerambit. With the Fox you would be a goner, but with the Talwar the bad guys will run away screaming like a little girl if you don't slice them up like a Cold Steel-video brisket first.

Everybody happy now? :rolleyes:
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Aaaand, the talwar will also be great if there is an actual brisket in play.

Now I'm happy.
 
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