"Frog Lube".... I'm sold on it now.

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stitchawl

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I just got a tube of Frog Lube, and all I can say is that when used correctly, it REALLY is amazing.
The key is to use it correctly. Warm up the metal, put on the Frog Lube and let it sit for an hour or so, and then wipe off the excess. THAT is the key... wiping off the excess. The test one fellow did on 46 different products for rust prevention proved Frog Lube's worth, enough for me to switch from my favored 'Marine Tuf-cloth,' and now the tests that he did for lubrication shows it to be just about the best on the market for that too!

Adding more lubricant creates more surface tension rather than more lubricity, and increases the energy needed to overcome 'sticktion.' The Frog Lube creates more than enough slip without having a visible surface layer that we've come to associate with lubes. My EDC has never been so smooth.

The key to making it work correctly is to use it correctly. What a concept! LOL!


Stitchawl
 
It's what I use! I have read about heating the part up but haven't tried it yet... Do you notice a difference when doing this vs running it cold?
 
I use it on my knives as well, makes them smell all minty fresh. Great stuff for knives and tools.
 
I just poot it on me Xm. Never heard of heating the metal a little bit. I will try this and see if I can notice a difference. Thanks
 
stitchawl said:
I just got a tube of Frog Lube, and all I can say is that when used correctly, it REALLY is amazing.
The key is to use it correctly. Warm up the metal, put on the Frog Lube and let it sit for an hour or so, and then wipe off the excess. THAT is the key... wiping off the excess. The test one fellow did on 46 different products for rust prevention proved Frog Lube's worth, enough for me to switch from my favored 'Marine Tuf-cloth,' and now the tests that he did for lubrication shows it to be just about the best on the market for that too!
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I would like to see his rust prevention tests to see how they compare to mine. I would really like to see the lubrication tests he did, too, as I haven't done any of those.

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dasknife said:
I just poot it on me Xm. Never heard of heating the metal a little bit. I will try this and see if I can notice a difference. Thanks
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It does make a difference.
 
This is the first product I've read about that might make me vary from my usual, Eezox.

Heating it up? Easy enough with knives, but I don't know how I would conveniently do that with a rifle.
 
stitchawl said:
Adding more lubricant creates more surface tension rather than more lubricity, and increases the energy needed to overcome 'sticktion.'
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Plus, excess lube is perfect for collecting dust, grit, lint, etc. that makes an abrasive paste to wear on the moving parts.

I'd like to ask exactly how heating metal up will help it "absorb" any type of lubricant better. I'm not familiar with the concept.
 
But how? The frog lube people can't just claim it does... Well, they can... Anyone can claim anything. I just want to hear their explanation of why heating the part to be treated is necessary.

Also, at what temperature is the desired effect achieved? Also, exactly what IS the desired effect?

I'm not saying Frog Lube is "snake oil". I'm just wanting to hear some kind of explanation for all of this.
 
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Often (but not always) it's a good idea to read the directions...

The only heat necessary is a hair dryer. The metal doesn't need to be 'hot,' just warm.
Here is a YouTube vid about heating vs not heating it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUlpnJSKEI

There are dozens and dozens of YouTube videos on how to use it and the results people are getting.
Yes, the stuff is completely safe. Safe on your skin, safe in your mouth, safe in your eyes, safe to your nose. You do NOT need a ventilated area to use it, nor do you need rubber gloves to work with it.

Here is the guy who tested 46 different CLPs for rust resistance: http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3667
Although Frog Lube didn't rate #1, it was either #2 or #3 out of the 46 different products for rust prevention, depending upon the tests being done.
It also rated in the top 3 for lubricity. With all its other attributes, that's good enough for me to want to use it.

The most telling of all was the video I saw where this same fellow (I think) tested a similar range of products for lubricity (NOT the test shown in the previous web page.) The results showed that applying a lubricant, allowing it to get 'into' the metal, then wiping off ALL the excess provided MUCH better lubricity than if a wet layer of lubricant was allowed to remain. Frankly, that surprised me. I always thought 'more was better' when it came to lubrication. I guess not!

Anecdotal but goes along with all the other anecdotal info: http://www.chuckhawks.com/frog_lube.htm

Anyway, although I've been a staunch supporter of Marine Tuf-glide and Tuf-cloths, using them for the past 15 years, two days spend putting Frog Lube through its paces has made me a convert. I live in the jungles of northern Thailand. I need the very best protection I can get, and I want the very best lubrication for my folders that I can get. For me, now... that's Frog Lube.


Stitchawl
 
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AntDog said:
Plus, excess lube is perfect for collecting dust, grit, lint, etc. that makes an abrasive paste to wear on the moving parts.

I'd like to ask exactly how heating metal up will help it "absorb" any type of lubricant better. I'm not familiar with the concept.
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"My" theory?
Although mirror-finished metals appear smooth and solid to the naked eye, a microscopic view reveals a deeply cratered 'moon surface.' When metal is heated, it expands. These craters and crevasses deepen and widen, allowing whatever micro-lubricating particles to get down inside. I won't use the word 'absorb,' because obviously metal doesn't really absorb anything, but if a lubricant can get further below the surface of the metal, and fill up those craters and creases, it would certainly give a much larger lubricating 'footprint' without increasing the surface tension that would occur with a liquid layer.

If you're having trouble visualizing this, think of the 'ball' in a ball-point pen. Somehow it is able to pick up and hold ink. Now imagine trying to do that with a glass marble...


Stitchawl
 
Metal does have pores. When you heat up the metal it expands the pores. When you apply any kind of lube say grease or oil the heat transfers to the lube helping it get down deep into the metal. When you wipe the excess lube off you are left with a microscopic layer of lubrication. That's the best kind.
 
So, this expansion of the metal's pores occurs at what temperature? I want to make sure that every single pore of my blade is fully expanded to accept the oil.

As opposed to just wiping it down and calling it done - I want to be extra vigilant.
 
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So, this expansion of the metal's pores occurs at what temperature? I want to make sure that every single pore of my blade is fully expanded to accept the oil. I want to be extra vigilant.
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Did you read the part about using a hair dryer? THAT is the temperature that is recommended by the manufacturer. "Warm" the metal.
Be 'extra vigilant' and read the directions.

Stitchawl
 
stitchawl said:
Did you read the part about using a hair dryer? THAT is the temperature that is recommended by the manufacturer. "Warm" the metal.
Be 'extra vigilant' and read the directions.

Stitchawl
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And this warming with a hair dryer does exactly what? That's what I'm asking.

If I follow these directions, is it for the benefit of the manufacturer to sell more frog oil ;) , or does the hair dryer magically open up all the pores of the blade to soak up the lube?

Bottom line is I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. In no way is a freaking hair dryer going to "open up pores in metal to accept more oil". If you're happy with it, that's great! I hear it smells really good.

I think if you just wipe your blade with any kind of oil you'll be far ahead of the ones who don't - wether they blow it with a hair dryer or not.
 
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AntDog said:
And this warming with a hair dryer does exactly what? That's what I'm asking.
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That was answered in a previous post. I have to assume that you didn't bother to read them if you can ask this question.

If I follow these directions, is it for the benefit of the manufacturer to sell more frog oil ;) , or does the hair dryer magically open up all the pores of the blade to soak up the lube?
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No magic involved. Simple metallurgy and physics. Did you bother to look at any of the videos or even read any of the testing that was done?

Bottom line is I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree.
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Yep. I certainly won't discuss it with you any longer.


Stitchawl
 
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