Full Tang Scandis?

That sounds like a ludicrously stupid dangerous idea, and an equally ludicrous criteria to judge a knife by. I don't know Kochanski, but I think very little of that statement.


Edited. Here is a survival tip. If you're stranded with a guy and he starts pounding his knife into a tree, get as far away from him as possible the first time he turns his back.
 
I don't know Kochanski, but I think very little of that statement.


Here's a rundown on the guy:

Mors Kochanski is a Canadian bushcraft and wilderness survival instructor. He has a reputation as one of the world's finest bushcraft instructors.

He popularised the term "bushcraft" in the northern hemisphere when he published his book Northern Bushcraft in 1987 and was an early mentor of the British television personality Ray Mears who continued to use and popularise the term.

He is quoted as saying, "The more you know, the less you carry."
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Survival of the most prepared

J. Mcquarrie-Salter
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He is easy to understand, affable, and most of all, incredibly knowledgeable about survival in the bush. Mors Kochanski is a Canadian bushcraft and wilderness survival instructor (one of the world's best, it's been said) who graced the doorstep of the Manning community recently. Kochanski, on his way to Hay River to teach a course about bush knowledge, stopped in to pass on some of his practical gems of information on the invitation of Al Wardale, Coordinator of the Junior Forest Wardens in Manning.

"The more you know, the less you carry" is Kochanski's well-known motto about life in the bush. Judging by the information he shared and showed that evening, Kochanski doesn't have to carry much. Considering that most people who do not survive are dead from environmental and self-imposed stresses in less than 40 hours, summer or winter, it's a good plan to learn skills such as those Kochanski generously shared.

At the Elks Hall, tables loaded with items such as candles, willow branches, fungus (great for lighting fires), and a whole lot more, served as Kochanski's backdrop as he catted (and cracked jokes) about the practicalities of life in the bush, and demonstrated a number of ways to make time in the bush reasonably comfortable (including carving the tools needed for a bow drill fire, and then lighting said fire).

Clothing, fire and a knife, Kochanski said, are the most important 'three' of wilderness survival. Here's a question for you. Will your clothing allow you to survive four days without a fire? Kochanski is emphatic that "nothing outranks the importance of clothing in cold weather survival". He passed on great techniques for lighting many kinds of fires, and constructing lean-tos and so much more.

"Survival," he said, "is knowing how to deal with the stresses. There are stresses that are lethal". The plan is to "hold that lethal stress back as long as possible". That comes with knowing the natural environment and using skills such as firecraft, tracking, hunting, shelter building, the use of tools such as knives and axes, foraging, hand-carving wood, container
construction from natural materials, rope and twine-making and more.

Kochanski emphasized the importance of the skills people used long ago when they lived in the bush, often considered crude or backward in the modern world, but of great importance in the bush. He has written that "pure survival knowledge is a small fraction of the total knowledge used to live the ancient gatherer-hunter subsistence lifestyle".

Actually, Kochanski has emphasized a lot over the years; he popularized the term 'bushcraft' in the northern hemisphere when he published his book, Northern Bushcraft, in 1987. He worked at the University of Alberta for 25 years teaching general outdoor education.

In addition to 'Northern Bushcraft', Kochanski has written booklets about navigation, edible plants, making nets, reading the stars and much more. He's also working on three more publications, Sleep and Survival, Clothing and Survival and a Survival Training manual.

Currently, Kochanski is an outdoor educator with the Dawson Creek School District, working from April to June of each year, mostly with children from kindergarten to grade six. "The main goal is to deal with what I call 'Nature Deficit Disorder', he smiled. Kids just don't get enough experience outdoors; it's not like it used to be. I'm teaching kids how to appreciate, enjoy, percieve nature". " 'Outdoor Education' " he continued, "is the wrong name. It (has) a recreational inotation. I'm saying it should be changed to something like 'Tangible Education'. Everything involves touching. I can't talk about rocks without having rocks. I believe our minds develop because of our hands".

Kochanski is passionate about knowing the natural world we live in. "One of the most fascinating hobbies is learning about plants - what they do, what they offer, medically, (as) edibles, and magical (properties of). Even if you live in the city, you can learn about vegetation there. (Learn) everything about everything that's natural".

The Lesson:

Wear a sharp mora and know the woods and cute hippie women will hug you
:thumbup::D

mors.jpg

Mors from 2007 Rabbitstick gathering pic from www.neoanderthal.com

More cool pics here: http://www.jackmtn.com/gallery/Fall-2005-Earth-Skills-Semester-Program/Pictures_060
 
Seems like a neato guy. But that line was silly. Even the greatest people say silly things sometimes.
 
I don't have the Kochanski book but i always thought that was a test to show the strength of the knife, E.G that it can support your body weight without breaking.
Kinda like Noss does in his destruction tests.
Somebody with the book should give us the exact context of this "sticking the knife in the tree and stepping on it" statement.
 
I don't have the Kochanski book but i always thought that was a test to show the strength of the knife, E.G that it can support your body weight without breaking.
Kinda like Noss does in his destruction tests.
Somebody with the book should give us the exact context of this "sticking the knife in the tree and stepping on it" statement.


Right. I don't have the book here but if I can't find it online I'll find it at home.


I do recall somone posting a friend tried it and wound up in the hospital:D:thumbup:;) Field and Stream had it on their website but I notice they've edited it out:p
 
Here it is

A guard on a bush knife is in the way and detracts from many operations. It prevents the use of a simple, secure deep sheath. Some people prefer a guard for fear of slipping forward onto the knife edge, but unless the knife is used for stabbing, the hand should never slip in this way. In all my years of instructing I do not recall an injury due to the lack of a guard.

As a test of strength, a good knife should not break when driven four centimeters into a standing tree at right-angles to the grain, and the handle bears your weight as you stand on it. (p109-111).

Read HERE

http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article341
 
yeah i definitely would not try it but "hopefully" he was not advocating this as something people should do.
I could be wrong but i thought this had something to do with proving that you didn't need a sharpened prybar knife,that a scandi/mora/etc was actually strong enough.

The Kochanski book has been highly recommended by so many people that I'm gonna buy the book soon myself.
 
4 centimetres is only an inch and a half!
Even if the blade was driven 4 inches into the tree i still wouldn't stand on it.
i don't want to break my knife or damage me! lol.
I'll leave the destruction testing to noss.
 
Here it is
Quote:
A guard on a bush knife is in the way and detracts from many operations. It prevents the use of a simple, secure deep sheath. Some people prefer a guard for fear of slipping forward onto the knife edge, but unless the knife is used for stabbing, the hand should never slip in this way. In all my years of instructing I do not recall an injury due to the lack of a guard.

As a test of strength, a good knife should not break when driven four centimeters into a standing tree at right-angles to the grain, and the handle bears your weight as you stand on it. (p109-111).



Read HERE

http://outdoors-magazine.com/spip.php?article341
Thanks for the context.
I'm still not going to try it though, lol.
 
I still think that that is the worst test of whether or not a knife is a "good knife" I've ever heard of.
 
Well I like thin knives and I think a thinner blade would be more of a disadvantage at that test. But if you pounded it in like it said, which is nearly 2 INCHES and then stood on it with your foot against the tree probably a lot of knives would pass. But some would break just pounding them in;)
 
4 centimetres is only an inch and a half!
Even if the blade was driven 4 inches into the tree i still wouldn't stand on it.
i don't want to break my knife or damage me! lol.
I'll leave the destruction testing to noss.

As I recall and maybe it was even on this forum (or HOODS?) somebody mentioned either them or their buddy doing it the blade breaking cutting thru their shoe and major surgery so yeah, it's understandable Field and Stream edited that part out;)

Bloody foot merit badge
 
I still think that that is the worst test of whether or not a knife is a "good knife" I've ever heard of.

Yeah, it is. And it's also one that Mora knives will not consistently pass - Moras like to snap, crackle and pop if you hammer them in a tree and put any weight at all on the handle, and if you try to stand on it, it's a near certainty that something is about to break. Sure, individual Moras will pass that "test", but get a 100 Moras and try it with all of them, and assuming you can avoid hospital, you will have at least 50 broken Moras by the end of the test - unless you just hit the luckiest batch of Moras ever. :D

As for full tangs on Scandis, full tangs aren't popular on Scandis because they a) look a bit ugly, b) feel cold in hand especially in the winter, c) corrode more easily, and earlier, d) because it was important to save as much metal as possible so there was no point in making an astronomically long and wide tang. I don't mind full tangs on Scandis, but I don't see them as any kind of necessity at all. Scandis aren't designed for abuse anyway, they're quite fine tools, not prybars.
 
If you took a 4" blade, drove it 1 1/2" in a tree, and stood close to the tree, many knives would pass the test. It was not said to stand on the handle, which would put a lot of leverage on the blade.
 
If you took a 4" blade, drove it 1 1/2" in a tree, and stood close to the tree, many knives would pass the test. It was not said to stand on the handle, which would put a lot of leverage on the blade.

I'm not sure what it said, as I haven't read the book (and beyond that, English isn't my first language). But if Hollowdweller quoted the original source correctly, with this:

As a test of strength, a good knife should not break when driven four centimeters into a standing tree at right-angles to the grain, and the handle bears your weight as you stand on it. (p109-111).

Then it does sound to me like it was said to stand on the handle. I mean, what then, does "the handle bears your weight as you stand on it" mean, if it does not mean standing on the handle? :confused:
 
Hello!

Brisa sells some fulltang scandis. Both blades, kits and finished knives.

Here is a linkt to the page:https://www.brisa.fi/portal/index.php?option=com_oscommerce&osMod=index&cPath=92_113


Jakob

Thanks for reminding... I've been eying those for some time. So, I decided to order a Enzo Trapper Blade EnZo (O1) with Scandi Grind.

For me, a full tang scandi seems like a perfect compromise of durability and usability. I've always used a puukko in the woods, and the only thing that bugs me is the fact that a traditional puukko isn't really suitable for battoning (I've snapped one in half once). A puukko-shaped full tang knife with a scandi grind on the other hand might a perfect tool.

I'll post some pics as soon as I get the knife done :)
 
As for full tangs on Scandis, full tangs aren't popular on Scandis because they a) look a bit ugly, b) feel cold in hand especially in the winter, c) corrode more easily, and earlier, d) because it was important to save as much metal as possible so there was no point in making an astronomically long and wide tang. I don't mind full tangs on Scandis, but I don't see them as any kind of necessity at all. Scandis aren't designed for abuse anyway, they're quite fine tools, not prybars.

Even though a full tang migth be uncomfortable during winter (if the knife is used without gloves), from spring to autumn it wont be a problem. And due to the climate change or whatever, it's like early spring already (at least on the western parts of Finland ) :D

The thing I do like about the full tang design, is the fact that the knife can safely be used to split firewood / battoning. This, for me, means that I don't need to carry a small axe with me on shorter hikes... that's of course assuming that the knife performs well otherwise. Battoning, IMHO, can be considered to be abuse as far as traditional puukkos are concerned, but with a full tang it's just normal use.
 
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