Fully Serrated has its limitations

I've had similar results, I gave up on serrations and the only serrated knife I might get would be an H1 steel version.
 
I did not like to use my fully serrated Enduras for anything other than cutting open MRE's and clearing the occasional triple feed from my M60 machine gun. :D They performed poorly at cutting paracord and tape without the teeth snagging, the two activities I needed a knife for the most.

Having said that, I believe some others here have had better results. So, my experience might be an anomaly. I still liked my Enduras though....well, enough to keep them in a drawer for 20 years. I eventually gave them away here on BF knowing I'd never use them again. I'm hoping they went to good homes and get some good use.
 
I usually carry a PE and a SE knife with me. The PE gets the most use, but I like having the option.
 
This thread has actually made me a lot more curious about trying a full serrated spydie.

Last time I had a serrated knife it was a gerber combo edge and I hated it.

Once I pick up a sharp maker so I can sharpen the serrated edge, I might pick up a Tasman to add to my edc.
 
Serrations do cut.

But when they are worn out. You are SOL and have to buy a new knife.
 
uxo2 said:
But when they are worn out. You are SOL and have to buy a new knife.
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You can send the knife in to Spyderco to be sharpened.

f250 said:
This thread has actually made me a lot more curious about trying a full serrated spydie.

Last time I had a serrated knife it was a gerber combo edge and I hated it.

Once I pick up a sharp maker so I can sharpen the serrated edge, I might pick up a Tasman to add to my edc.
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I've been thoroughly satisfied with my Tasman. It came extremely sharp, and while being a featherweight, it's really tough. I have no idea what I'm doing when attempting to sharpen it, but it keeps cutting the crap out of things. Not always clean cuts, but it still shreds through everything I put in front of it. :D
 
vanslem6 said:
You can send the knife in to Spyderco to be sharpened.



I've been thoroughly satisfied with my Tasman. It came extremely sharp, and while being a featherweight, it's really tough. I have no idea what I'm doing when attempting to sharpen it, but it keeps cutting the crap out of things. Not always clean cuts, but it still shreds through everything I put in front of it. :D
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Do you find people reacting strongly to the hawkbill blade?

Your description is exactly what I need. Something smaller than my endura, but still a slicing powerhouse.
 
I was a little concerned about the general look of the knife, so I bought the yellow-handled model. One of my coworkers said it looked 'mean' the other day, lol. That's about it thus far, though I don't spend much time out in public with it.
 
I have a 6 yo Salt 1 SE and it has no limitations. It has been through hell and back. Looks like crap but it cuts damn near anything. It is the older pinned model and still has solid lock up.
 
carbonsteelfan said:
Hey JD , for guys like us the Spyderco Dyad would be a pretty handly little package. One smooth blade. One serrated blade. I wish l had one. My girlfriend owns one. The ATS -55 blades work like a charm.
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Hey CarbonsteelFan you know what I've suggested in the past and what I would love to see Spyderco come out with for the guys in the fishing/maritime line of work or even for overall general usage for that matter>> I would love to see Spyderco introduce a "Hawkbill Dyad">> that's right one PE folding blade with one SE folding blade. I think one in the size range of the Harpy or even the size range of the SUPERHAWK would be perfect. That way you can have your serrations and PE blade right there at the same time, anytime you would need both edges >> then anytime you need either cutting edge you got it right there in one package. It would be super not only for guys in the fishing industry but it would be great in construction, warehouse work or even handling parcel packages like I do a lot in the course of a day.

It's funny you also mention ATS-55 blade steel because it's one of my very favorite steels for Spyderedges>> which is why I love my Stainless RESCUE model so much because it also has ATS-55 and it's a ferrocious cutter and it's held up to a lot of rough usage in the past few years thanks to my great Buddy SPYDUTCH.

Some of my very favorite blade steels for Spyderedges are ATS-55, 440V, H-1, ATS-34, and I just got a serious Spyderedged USER with VG-10 that I'm going to give a mean testing this next week. I'm seriously wondering how XHP, M-4 and BG-42 would all be in Spyderedge>> for some reason I get a funny feeling that those would do well considering how they all react to Spyderco's great ceramic stones. If they ever do any Spyderedged Sprint runs I do hope they will consider doing them in some of these blade steels they haven't used yet in SE.
 
JD Spydo said:
Hey CarbonsteelFan you know what I've suggested in the past and what I would love to see Spyderco come out with for the guys in the fishing/maritime line of work or even for overall general usage for that matter>> I would love to see Spyderco introduce a "Hawkbill Dyad">> that's right one PE folding blade with one SE folding blade. I think one in the size range of the Harpy or even the size range of the SUPERHAWK would be perfect. That way you can have your serrations and PE blade right there at the same time, anytime you would need both edges >> then anytime you need either cutting edge you got it right there in one package. It would be super not only for guys in the fishing industry but it would be great in construction, warehouse work or even handling parcel packages like I do a lot in the course of a day.

It's funny you also mention ATS-55 blade steel because it's one of my very favorite steels for Spyderedges>> which is why I love my Stainless RESCUE model so much because it also has ATS-55 and it's a ferrocious cutter and it's held up to a lot of rough usage in the past few years thanks to my great Buddy SPYDUTCH.

Some of my very favorite blade steels for Spyderedges are ATS-55, 440V, H-1, ATS-34, and I just got a serious Spyderedged USER with VG-10 that I'm going to give a mean testing this next week. I'm seriously wondering how XHP, M-4 and BG-42 would all be in Spyderedge>> for some reason I get a funny feeling that those would do well considering how they all react to Spyderco's great ceramic stones. If they ever do any Spyderedged Sprint runs I do hope they will consider doing them in some of these blade steels they haven't used yet in SE.
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A " Hawkbill DYAD" ... Now why didn't l think of that ? One PE straight blade . One SE hawkbill blade. That's an amazing idea. The Hawkbill blade could be H1. The Straight blade could be D2. It's been a long time since l saw a Spydie in D2 . Luckily one of my Military models is D2.
 
vanslem6 said:
I was a little concerned about the general look of the knife, so I bought the yellow-handled model. One of my coworkers said it looked 'mean' the other day, lol. That's about it thus far, though I don't spend much time out in public with it.
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I opened a box with my Ladybug Hawkbill SE yellow handle in front of a co-worker the other day and he called it "diabolical". This was after I sunk the tip and let it rip, so maybe he meant the power of the hawkbill or maybe he is scarred of small wicked looking Spyderco's!
 
uxo2 said:
Serrations do cut.

But when they are worn out. You are SOL and have to buy a new knife.
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Well with my few years experience with fully serrated Spyderco knives I'm hear to tell all of you that I have never ever worn out any of my fully serrated Spyderco knives. This response you give us "uxo2" is interesting in a way because I've yet to even talk to anyone that I know that is a Spyderco fan who has worn out one of their full SE folders or fixed blades.

Now serrated blades also have to be sharpened and maintained just like any other knife. And if a guy was to seriously neglect the maintenance of a knife edge you certainly could have some problems.

Actually I find serrated blades to need less attention over the long run compared to plain edged blades myself. Also you absolutely must not use any knife in an abusive manner>> a knife is like any other tool it can be destroyed if used incorrectly. Being educated on sharpening and maintenance is something every knife user needs to learn.
 
JD Spydo said:
Well with my few years experience with fully serrated Spyderco knives I'm hear to tell all of you that I have never ever worn out any of my fully serrated Spyderco knives. This response you give us "uxo2" is interesting in a way because I've yet to even talk to anyone that I know that is a Spyderco fan who has worn out one of their full SE folders or fixed blades.

Now serrated blades also have to be sharpened and maintained just like any other knife. And if a guy was to seriously neglect the maintenance of a knife edge you certainly could have some problems.

Actually I find serrated blades to need less attention over the long run compared to plain edged blades myself. Also you absolutely must not use any knife in an abusive manner>> a knife is like any other tool it can be destroyed if used incorrectly. Being educated on sharpening and maintenance is something every knife user needs to learn.
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To be fair , JD , l have seen a Spyderedge ZDP-189 folder that had the serrations broken off after heavy use. I think that's why Spyderco stopped offering serrated ZDP-189 models.
 
carbonsteelfan said:
To be fair , JD , l have seen a Spyderedge ZDP-189 folder that had the serrations broken off after heavy use. I think that's why Spyderco stopped offering serrated ZDP-189 models.
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Spyderco themselves went on record a couple of years ago saying that ZDP-189 was not an ideal steel to use for serrations>> from what I was told they have not done any Spyderedged blades with ZDP-189 in quite some time now. It's kind of a dilema that Spyderco has found themselves in because many steels that make super plain edge don't necessarily make a good Spyderedge in that particular steel.

On the flip side of the coin I've found many of the Spyderedged Spyders that really hold up for serrated blade use don't really have that good of record with plain edges either. Some of my favorite steels for Spyderedges include GIN-1, AUS-8, ATS-55, H-1 & 440V >> all of which I've had excellent results using those blades steels in Spyderedge>> however those aforementioned haven't been noted to be premium performers for plain edges with the possible exception of ATS-55>> I've gotten some nice performed PE edges from it before.

It seems like steels that have a notable toughness aspect to them are good for SE whereas stuff like ZDP-189, M390 and many others I could mention that have high Rockwell hardness ratings just don't do well with Spyderedges >> that's been my experience and believe me I've used a lot of Spyderco's Spyderedges.
 
JD Spydo said:
Spyderco themselves went on record a couple of years ago saying that ZDP-189 was not an ideal steel to use for serrations>> from what I was told they have not done any Spyderedged blades with ZDP-189 in quite some time now. It's kind of a dilema that Spyderco has found themselves in because many steels that make super plain edge don't necessarily make a good Spyderedge in that particular steel.

On the flip side of the coin I've found many of the Spyderedged Spyders that really hold up for serrated blade use don't really have that good of record with plain edges either. Some of my favorite steels for Spyderedges include GIN-1, AUS-8, ATS-55, H-1 & 440V >> all of which I've had excellent results using those blades steels in Spyderedge>> however those aforementioned haven't been noted to be premium performers for plain edges with the possible exception of ATS-55>> I've gotten some nice performed PE edges from it before.

It seems like steels that have a notable toughness aspect to them are good for SE whereas stuff like ZDP-189, M390 and many others I could mention that have high Rockwell hardness ratings just don't do well with Spyderedges >> that's been my experience and believe me I've used a lot of Spyderco's Spyderedges.
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VG-10 can do both , quite well , l find.
 
The vast majority of my folding knife usage favors using a PE. But when a SE is better at a task it is usually MUCH better, and makes a PE look pedestrian. Just my 2c.
 
Ruarch said:
The vast majority of my folding knife usage favors using a PE. But when a SE is better at a task it is usually MUCH better, and makes a PE look pedestrian. Just my 2c.
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That pretty much sums it up ^ what he says :thumbup:
 
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