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Fun with Atlatls!

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Hey my friends! Yet another addition to my primitive hunting skills. If you dont know what an atlatl is then ill tell ya best I can. Its a spear throwing stick to be simple as I can explain. Before I got started I decided that I needed to do this with all natural materials that I could find on or near my land. I had no idea how deadly these things can be. After much study I found out that they were used to kill large game like mastodon, buffalo, etc. Smaller game could be harvested with bow and arrow but the atlatl dart was made for some serious kills and until you have a chance to try it you would never know the power you can add to a dart with this 24" extension to your arm. This thing seriously Kills!
They call them darts instead of spears for whatever reason so ill do the same.


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Note the back of the dart with the fletching just like an arrow and the throwing stick or atlatl with a hook on the end that fits in the hollow of a dart at the back end. The atlatl is nothing more than an extension of the arm to give more velocity and power to the dart.


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There is so much concentrated force at the socket of the dart you need to wrap sinew there to prevent it from splitting.

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You hold the dart and atlatl something like this and sometime during the throw you release the dart with your forefinger and thumb at the right time and follow through the swing and at the end snap your wrist like you do with your Khukri to get the last bit of acceleration and man does this ever work well! You guys that have mastered the snap chop will know what I mean.

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To start take you KLVUK down to the river and cut some river cane that grows all over the dang place around here along rivers...imagine that! Its alot like bamboo but a little not like it. Its lighter and after about three years old it makes great arrows and darts once its dried. You do need to straighten it by heating it over a bed of coals in the campfire. If you get lazy you can do it pretty well with a propane torch on low heat. The nodes usually need occasionally the shaft between the nodes do as well. In a few minutes you can get you a nice straight cane.

Here is a short list of ingredients you might need to construct the setup:
Turkey or other large flight feathers
Hide glue
natural pith glue (pine tar, charcoal, beezwax etc.)
animal sinew for cordage
flint knapped point for hunting tips
hardwood shafts (target practice) for making the foreshafts for easy replacement in case you break a tip.

I made three darts all from natural materials just to make sure if the wife threw me out to the doghouse I would still be able to snag me a rabbit or two and survive. After that i made the rest of the darts with duct tape fletching or whatever was handy just so id have enough darts so I didnt have to run back and forth to the target every other shot. I ended up with eight darts in the end. My dog ran up on the end of one and snapped it so really only got seven now.

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This is a hunting tip I made from some Tx flint and pine pitch glue and a willow foreshaft. Trust me! IT WILL KILL!!!

For practice i decided to try several different things.
1. Thread some all thread shaft with the ends hammered out and or ground to a point for the tip.
2. slip a pointed piece of fiberglass shaft inside the hollow.
3. Tapersome hardwood foreshafts with the ends blunted for taget paratice.

All seemed to work ok and the weights and balance of the darts were all to consider so I marked the balance points and numbered each dart to study later.

Here are the darts in mid stages of assembly. The natural ones are already complete. I painted them so I could find them if they got burried in the woods.

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They are between six and seven and a half feet in length roughly. We will see what works best.

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Some miscellaneous tip configurations. All had to be reinforced so they dont split. I tried fiberglass reinforced box tape for the hi-tek ones and stuck with sinew for the primitive ones. The sinew is elk backstrap and is some super strong stuff and has not failed anywhere yet. The allthread was sharpend.

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Since I had a coral snake skin with nothing to do with it I covered the bamboo atlatl with the skin. and made a deerskin handle to make it mine.

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Of course I had to add my signature to it as well:D

Note the fletching is stitched on with elk sinew and glued in place with hide glue made from rendered deer skin. You can use rawhide dog chews to make the glue as well.

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Some wild turkey fletching secured with elk sinew and hide glue. This is some strong stuff.

OK Now I need some targets and I figure ill put them about 100' away from each other. That way I can stand in the middle and throw 50 foot practice shots either way. Since my dog wants to chase them and eat the turkey feathers from them then if my dog goes one way I can throw the other way. That worked great until she ran up to the back of a dart and broke it in half and yelped a bit. She was not hurt but now she stays in the middle and just watches me play. Good girl!

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Round one!

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Ah! Thats a kill. Only had three darts at this time but thats a kill! All on target at least from 45 feet! Thats a good start!

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Then a few footshots!

OK Heres the other target!

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OK an ear and an elbow:rolleyes:

OK we need to kick this up a notch and forget the rabbits. I got eight darts now. Made some with duct tape and high tek tape and stuff and lets also do something about them targets to really get some good grouping data on them new darts!

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Oh Hell yeah! Much better! How bout that grouping! Still a lil low right but its late and Ill have to try tis one again tomorrow. BUT!!! can do that till I make another round at the other target!

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Heck yeah! Ok I can go to bed now happy! Thats from 45 feet. Two kills! One is burried to the fletching!

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Day two! It rained last night and washed out my targets! Oh well maybe I can still vote the primaries!

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I do think thats a Kill:D

And to be fair!

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Im getting better at this stuff real fast my friends! Tomorrow I add Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Ted Cruz:D

No politicians were hurt in this test and please keep it light and respectful! Feel free to email me some new targets tho if you wish;)
 
Ha! Don't know what I like more, the politician targets, or the "NDog" in coral snake skin!!!

For real though, atlatls are cool AF. One of the next things on my "to make/get into" list. I've heard theories that the invention of the atlatl was a major force in driving the extinction or mammoths/mastadons. Before they had to be hunted with spears by a bunch of people that all had to sneak up really close, but then this comes along and they can take a mammoth at 50 yards, well out of the danger zone. Killing just became so efficient, and people weren't very aware of overhunting. Of course climate change (coming out of an ice age) and other factors probably had a lot to do with their extinction as well, but that was still interesting to learn
 
Very cool:)

I had a professor bring one into class, and I was in awe. Something about a simple weapon made from a couple of sticks and a flint tip and hit with the power of a .38.

Thanks for sharing:)
 
Where in the wild world of sports did you get coral snake skin?

More importantly: this is so cool!
I saw Robb Wolf kill an elk with an atlatl so I greatly respect their power!

After seeing a Recurve bow at a garage sale this weekend and lusting after it...(and leaving it behind cause all my money is converted into triangle boxes...)
maybe I can get/make an atlatl and some darts! (and get the bow.. ;))

I'd like a quieter means of food acquisition..
 
Your last target makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

Nice post. Never heard of these before. I don't get out much.
 
You need to make a video, so that we can see how it's done.


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He got the coral snake skin from his dog who killed/found one, I can't remember exactly. He posted it in a thread not too long ago. Glad there was a nice section without bite marks :)
 
Where in the wild world of sports did you get coral snake skin?

More importantly: this is so cool!
I saw Robb Wolf kill an elk with an atlatl so I greatly respect their power!

After seeing a Recurve bow at a garage sale this weekend and lusting after it...(and leaving it behind cause all my money is converted into triangle boxes...)
maybe I can get/make an atlatl and some darts! (and get the bow.. ;))

I'd like a quieter means of food acquisition..

They are quiet! Thats funny becasue I can hear the feathers buzz by my ears and such so i been playing around with trimming them and such to quiet them. Some say you really dont even need fletching and some just put a fluff ball of feather or down (reason unknown)? Since im newbie dummy ill just stick with the standard average stuff till I learn more.

Ndog is my hero!

Man! Thank you sir! I never had anyone tell me that! I think you better keep lookin for heros tho but I thank you sincerely anywaz:thumbup: Your awesome brother! Uh... May I suggest Linda Carter! Shes still my hero for some reason:p

Your last target makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.

Nice post. Never heard of these before. I don't get out much.

OK Mr. B! Let me find a pic of Nancy P. I think you'll appreciate some nice groupings. Dont think I can hit Obama cause his neck is so thin:D Ill have to practice more.

You need to make a video, so that we can see how it's done....

Now that is a great idea. Its been pouring down rain here lately from remnants of a storm on the east coast but soon as I get a dry evening Ill do it! Maybe theres a way I can work a Khuk in there somewhere too.

Ha! Don't know what I like more, the politician targets, or the "NDog" in coral snake skin!!!

For real though, atlatls are cool AF. One of the next things on my "to make/get into" list. I've heard theories that the invention of the atlatl was a major force in driving the extinction or mammoths/mastadons. Before they had to be hunted with spears by a bunch of people that all had to sneak up really close, but then this comes along and they can take a mammoth at 50 yards, well out of the danger zone. Killing just became so efficient, and people weren't very aware of overhunting. Of course climate change (coming out of an ice age) and other factors probably had a lot to do with their extinction as well, but that was still interesting to learn
You should try it SG. It is really easy to make a primitive one with forked stick and some cane or bamboo or just about anything. I want to make a few for fishng. Id love to try it for sting ray and flounder on the coast. Im kinda wanting to try some hi-tek ones with maybe carbon fiber and some broadpoint tips etc. I bet they would be awesome. Old fishing rods would work great im thinking. Put the point in the big end and voila! Prolly have to add a cord too? Im sure ill have to add on to this post as things progress.

He got the coral snake skin from his dog who killed/found one, I can't remember exactly. He posted it in a thread not too long ago. Glad there was a nice section without bite marks :)

Yep my dogs found a pair of snakes eating each other and in the middle of the attack I think a car ran over them so I brought them home and skinned the coral snake. The other garter snake was just too far gone.

I tried to feed it to my Dogo but he didnt like it too much.

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Anywaz...:D I found use for that skin finally. I had to cover it with a few layers of wood glue to protect it. The interdnet says just glue it down to the back of your bow but it dont wear very well. Several layers of gorilla wood glue really works well.

Ill really try to get a vid up soon and show yall what they can do! Thanks for yalls input! More coming soon! Soon as I can print up some more targets:D
 
Such a topic to feed the curiosity in us, Kamidog. I do like the photos for the "a picture is worth a thousand words" effect. And I second the motion for a video. Have you caught any fishes with one of your hooks?
 
Am I the only one who noticed that your dog has an arrow sticking out of her ear? Excuse me, a dart.

I don't mind the images of dart-riddled Trump and Clinton, but this is going too far.

Ha! It aint so bad really! She sleeps on the other side:D She has a hell of a time getting out of the doggie door tho. Maybe I should trim it down a bit?
Ill get a video soon. My internet connection has been down lately with the floods and all. They are supposed to fix it tomorrow. AT&T are a bunch o idjits. They never complete the job and always have to come back. No way I can upload a video on my cell phone. My printer is on my wireless network too so I cant print out targets either. That sucks more than anything.

Nothin on them hooks yet doc. Im trying to make a trip to the lake here soon so ill give you a report when I do. I also want to do some fishing with the atlatl and see how that goes. The lakes are up to full capacity now so I know my favorite catfish hole will be perfect very soon so im going for it. Dont try your Brazos river trip anytime soon because its over the 100 year flood stage right now. Sure would make a great artifact hunting trip soon as it goes down tho. Im going to do the same on the Colorado this weekend if it goes down far enough. Im out of knapping rock too so its time.
 
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Very cool Ndog, really enjoying this one! Continually amazes me what skills & technologies we've LOST with 'progress'. You did great presentation showing both the simplicity and intricate complexity.
 
Thanks joe! Still workin on the video. Maybe today. It takes forever to upload them but ill get to it. I think ive picked a few favorite darts so I can start whittling them down so they are all similar weight and lengths. I made two takedown darts out of fiberglass rods and brass hardware. Im curious to see how they work out. Maybe ill get them done before the video so they can join the fun too.
 
great thread have accuualy killed game with it wonder if you could legally hunt with it keep ,up the good work. I like your targets, not the rabbit the others
 
great thread have accuualy killed game with it wonder if you could legally hunt with it keep ,up the good work. I like your targets, not the rabbit the others

Yes people hunt wild boar here in Texas all the time. Its legal to hunt deer as well im pretty sure. I went to the property next door to do some long range shots just to see how far I could toss one and I was getting about 160-170 feet easily. I managed to group them in about a twenty foot circle. With some luck i might could hit an elephant. Hey! There is a barn on the property. Maybe I could hit the broad side of it. Ill try to post some more pics too. I tried to post a vid for yall but utube said it was too large?

Correction: Today I went out again for some distance shots and measured my longest shot: 210 feet and 8 inches! Not a clue if thats good or does it suck cause I dont know anybody that does this so WTH. No question these darts will kill!
 
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New record today. 237'4" and I hit a triangle box from 120 feet three times. :eek: It took about 25 shots to do it but what the heck? Bawanna.... Yes a triangle box was in fact harmed in this test! No video my friend! I wouldnt do that to ya;)
 
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