Ganzo g729 vs paramilitary 2

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"Homages" yes. Because it's respectful. *rolleyes*

So...yes. Taboo. Heh.
 
nick21 said:
Just so you know, these homages are very taboo subjects here.
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Even using the word "homage" opens up a whole can of worms.

Get the Ganzo if you want a knife with no warranty that you will throw away if there's a problem with it. Get the Spyderco if you want better materials, pride of ownership, and one of the best warranties in the business. The PM2 will last you years, and doesn't need to be babied and can be used without fear as a "beater" because of the warranty service. The ganzo might last one year and any issues have to be fixed by you.

I stopped buying clones because I realized the real deal was actually a better value. It's not like sunglasses where both the expensive and cheap ones have just about the same warranty for wear and tear (none) - you can beat the snot out of a warrantied knife, send it in, and have it back almost factory fresh and ready to go again.
 
I hadn't seen that one before. Wow, ripping off 2 great companies simultaneously with 1 knife. Pretty sleazy...
 
op are you trolling or really asking a question? It is laughable just to compare them.
 
I have one of the larger Ganzos - not a G729 - so my comments are general. The one I have is sharp, centered, opens smoothly, well finished and has no play. I don't have a PM2, but I would say the quality of Ganzo is very high relative to the price. A $15 knife can certainly be treated as disposable, just like a $15 Mora. But the materials and execution would not make you want to throw it out. The only problem I've noticed is some glue on the edge of the G10 scales. I think if a name company bought some of the better Ganzos and put their name on the blade with a $30 price, people would be talking about them all the time.

Overall, Ganzos quality can be very good, but some of their designs aren't always thought out really well in regards to placement of studs, etc. So read some reviews of the specific model or watch some videos. EDCforums is a safe place to talk about the discount Chinese brands, from what I've seen from searches.


Warranties for knives make a lot of sense when you've spent a lot or the opening system is complex. For everything else, I just can't get worked up about warranties. No one talks about getting Moras warrantied back to Sweden, yet knife people love them. Go figure.
 
mccoppinb said:
Anyone ever handles both of these I feel like the ganzo could be a beater pm2
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Well, since it is a knock off counterfeit and to buy and use one would be to support counterfeiting you have to ask yourself "am I okay with supporting counterfeiting that hurts this community and hobby"? If you are fine with that then go for it. You will be looked down upon by most here though......

A real PM2 is a great thing. Love mine! Absolutely worth the extra money and clear conscious.
 
well...I like ganzo and own a para 2. The ganzo is not a para2. The lock will need lots of break in and you will want to shave down the area around the axis lock to make it easier to use.

But paras are cheap get both.
 
Knave said:
I hadn't seen that one before. Wow, ripping off 2 great companies simultaneously with 1 knife. Pretty sleazy...
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This ^^^^^^^

I had to Google the Ganzo mentioned.

OP if you are serious about this question just get a PM2. It will be well worth the $120 or so it costs.
 
RevDevil said:
Elaborate on your low hanging bait please, I mean seriously.
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Here's one of many threads about knives or modifications that attempt to sidestep the Emerson Wave patent:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/680666-Already-waved-folders

No one seems to be surprised that the DPX bottle opener or Cold Steel plate just happen to hook the pocket just like a Wave. And Emerson himself had to step up to tell CM to stop selling Wave modifications on this forum.

And then there's all the Microtech shenanigans, Schrade's history, etc. But the day to day discussion of how to infringe Emerson's patent is just normal.

I'm not in favor of any patent infringement, including illegally importing Axis locks that were legally made overseas. But I don't get the tolerance of ignoring Emerson's US patent by people in the US.
 
Never heard of a Ganzo, had to google it. I don't care if it's $1 I am not interested.

If you want a PM2 get a PM2. If you want to support knock off artists do it quietly because most of us don't like it.
Best of luck.
 
The Emerson patent and subsequent trademark is something relatively new, compared to a 20+ year old Axis lock. Therefore, the novelty of the announcement made by Ernest recently has created a bit of buzz in discussion. I don't think anyone is advocating or cheerleading for infringement. If people do, then they are taking their legal well being into their own hands. No need to lump in the few with the many here. I'm fairly certain that our comments as a whole do not have much if any influence on what the owners of the trademarks feel is and is not a clear cut or obscure violation of their intellectual property (as they see it).
The thing is there is huge difference between what a single knifemaker is doing (modifying production knives) and a company that sells thousands of folders a year. From what I have read from him, CM is no longer making waved knife modifications. Much like Busse, I think Emerson has ample energy and resources to go after anyone they deem as being in violation of the respective trademark.
 
RevDevil said:
The Emerson patent and subsequent trademark is something relatively new, compared to a 20+ year old Axis lock. Therefore, the novelty of the announcement made by Ernest recently has created a bit of buzz in discussion. I don't think anyone is advocating or cheerleading for infringement. If people do, then they are taking their legal well being into their own hands. No need to lump in the few with the many here. I'm fairly certain that our comments as a whole do not have much if any influence on what the owners of the trademarks feel is and is not a clear cut or obscure violation of their intellectual property (as they see it).
The thing is there is huge difference between what a single knifemaker is doing (modifying production knives) and a company that sells thousands of folders a year. From what I have read from him, CM is no longer making waved knife modifications. Much like Busse, I think Emerson has ample energy and resources to go after anyone they deem as being in violation of the respective trademark.
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If I remember correctly it was more than amicable.
 
Break down the cost of the PM2 and I think you will figure out why it's better and why you don't need a PM2 knockoff as a "beater". What's your plan? Is it to carry both knives and when you need to cut something you pull out the "beater". I'm not sure the point here
 
RevDevil said:
The Emerson patent and subsequent trademark is something relatively new, compared to a 20+ year old Axis lock. Therefore, the novelty of the announcement made by Ernest recently has created a bit of buzz in discussion. I don't think anyone is advocating or cheerleading for infringement. If people do, then they are taking their legal well being into their own hands. No need to lump in the few with the many here. I'm fairly certain that our comments as a whole do not have much if any influence on what the owners of the trademarks feel is and is not a clear cut or obscure violation of their intellectual property (as they see it).
The thing is there is huge difference between what a single knifemaker is doing (modifying production knives) and a company that sells thousands of folders a year. From what I have read from him, CM is no longer making waved knife modifications. Much like Busse, I think Emerson has ample energy and resources to go after anyone they deem as being in violation of the respective trademark.
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The Emerson patent is from 1997. The Axis patent is from 1996. They are both expiring in the next year. The trademark is a completely different issue.

And I'm not talking about what Emerson or Benchmade do to enforce their respective patents. The fact of the matter is that violations of the Axis patent are "bad for the hobby" and violations of Emerson's patent are entirely tolerated by the same Defenders of the Hobby™, on this forum.

This looking the other way with Emerson while loudly beating the drum for Benchmade is hypocritical. (And I'm not talking about Mods - that isn't your job to worry about intellectual property.)


And just so this is entirely clear, putting a big ziptie on your knife expressly to make the blade hook your pocket is patent infringement. There is no patent dispensation for private use.
 
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