Gaucho knives and cuchillos criollos of South America

Oh wow 😮 Jer ! You are on a roll :thumbsup:
It's a BIG 'UN :cool:
My Verijero stands no chance against it 😊

I think you should try a puñal Dan. Though obviously not as nimble as a verijero, you adapt and learn to deal with the increased size. Who knows, you might even come to prefer it since you use your capybara on food so much.

Today it was time to tune up the edge of my Capybara.
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Interestingly, the coarse brown rods of my Sharpmaker seem to give me better edges on my Verijero than when I continue onto the finer white ones.
Today I did the brown rods, then the whites ones only to go back and finish again on the brown ones as I liked the "toothy"edge better.

It takes some trial and error to find the level of finish that suits you. Although I love the look of a polished edge, I have come to realize that once I have the edge tuned up the way I like on a knife, for touch ups I like the edge I get off a translucent Arkansas the best. Provides just the right amount of bite.

One day I'll try gaucho Héctor Casale's way :thumbsup::cool:

Do it Dan! Master your technique on an inexpensive cuchilla first though.
 
Oh wow 😮 Jer ! You are on a roll :thumbsup:
It's funny; there were four bids, probably only one other bidder.
It's in the mail and expected by Tuesday!

There may be a bit of Yankee smugness in Rolf, but it's a rollicking adventure with plenty of woodcraft.
[edit to add] My knife has left the post office in Georgetown MA. I had the time zones widdershins.

[Left Nashua NH.]
 
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This one's big brother is out for delivery.
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This one's big brother is out for delivery.
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Lol Jer, that video made me laugh 😄
I can relate 👍😎

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9 3/8 inch blade 1/4 inch thick, 5 3/8 inch handle.

Nice 👍!!!
Congrats on the “BIG” score 😊
It is a big ‘un !
I think I am starting to develop an inferiority complex hanging around here 😁

I think you should try a puñal Dan. Though obviously not as nimble as a verijero, you adapt and learn to deal with the increased size. Who knows, you might even come to prefer it since you use your capybara on food so much.

Yes 👍😎 looking forward to trying a 6 inch or about 15 cm blade next.
This is perhaps right on the line between a puñal and a Verijero.
I’ll slowly work myself up lol 😊
 
One of the most significant influences in the life and culture of the gaucho was no doubt the one from indigenous people.
Many gauchos were "mestizos" of mixed european and indigenous ancestry.
From parts of the gaucho's apparel, to weapons like the "boleadoras", to their copious intake of the bitter yerba mate infusion his life was influenced and shaped by the culture of people that had inhabited the area for millenia.

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Most, if not all the above paintings by renowned Argentine artist Rodolfo Ramos
 
Thank you. This is pretty much exactly my idea of a gaucho knife; I might be set for a while.

But here are a few details of my precious:
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I don't think it's stainless:
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I am willing to bet is carbon steel and forged ( rather than stamped) as per the traditional method of making them.

Atahualpa was founded by someone who had started at La Movediza back in the early 50’s

It looks like they are still in business
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I found this article ( updated in 2020 ) on the newspaper “La Nación” about this small knife factory in Tandil
(Google translate does a reasonable job translating into English)
 
I found this article ( updated in 2020 ) on the newspaper “La Nación” about this small knife factory in Tandil
I am willing to bet is carbon steel and forged ( rather than stamped) as per the traditional method of making them.
Wow!
What a treasure for $76.26! I was very lucky.
And thanks for the article.

Clean it up and put a good edge on it
It came with an excellent edge, except for maybe two inches at the heel. I wonder if that was done deliberately, like some people leave a few inches of machete blunt.
 
"It lives in the hand, too. It positively woos one to strike."
As Oakeshott said, admittedly of a different blade.
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The blade hasn't darkened; I just tilted it to lessen the glare. It must have almost intact plating.

That's awesome. I feel that way about my faca. It's very lively. Maybe not the knife I'd choose if I had to live out in the pampas for several months, but maybe just the thing if I had to walk into a pulpería filled with drunk and truculent gauchos.
 
Dan, your paintings remind me more of American Indians of the plains, which only makes sense as in a "form follows function" evolution.
Yes, very interesting. The very long spears caught my attention right away.

The blade hasn't darkened; I just tilted it to lessen the glare. It must have almost intact plating.
Interesting about the plating Jer. My Pampa ( made in Tandil) that I used a couple of times on steak and chicken did not darkened the way my Capybara did right away
I wrote to someone in Argentina to find out if plating of carbon bades was applied to Tandil blades ( sent him your pics )
If you have a couple more pics in better light I can send them to him as well

but maybe just the thing if I had to walk into a pulpería filled with drunk and truculent gauchos.
.... only to find gaucho Dan with his legendary Verijero ready for some troublemaking :p

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A couple more paintings from the epic poem "El Gaucho Martín Fierro"

Gauchos were exploited by the Argentine government and forced to fight in the "Conquest of the Desert".
They were conscripted by the army and got little to no pay. Many of them deserted only to be persecuted and abused even further.
When they eventually were able to return home many found nothing left.

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The brutal fight to the death between Martin Fierro and the Indian.
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"El Gaucho Martín Fierro"
Plot (excerpts from wikipedia):

Martín Fierro, has been drafted to serve at a border fort, defending the Argentine inner frontier against the native people. He deserts and tries to return to his home, but discovers that his house, farm, and family are gone. He deliberately provokes an affair of honor by insulting a black woman in a bar. In the knife duel that ensues, he kills her male companion.
The narration of another knife fight suggests, by its lack of detail, that it is one of many.
Fierro becomes an outlaw pursued by the police militia. In a battle with them, he acquires a companion: Sergeant Cruz, inspired by Fierro's bravery in resistance, defects and joins him mid-battle. The two set out to live among the natives, hoping to find a better life there.

They are taken for spies; the cacique (chieftain) saves their lives, but they are effectively prisoners of the natives.
The poem narrates an epidemic, the horrible, expiatory attempts at cure, and the fatal wrath upon those, including a young "Christian" boy, suspected of bringing the plague.
Both Cruz and the cacique die of the disease. Shortly afterward, at Cruz's grave, Fierro hears the anguished cries of a woman. He follows and encounters a criolla weeping over the body of her dead son, her hands tied with the boy's entrails.
She had been accused of witchcraft.
Fierro fights and wins a brutal battle with her captor and travels with her back towards civilization.

After Fierro leaves the woman at the first ranch they see, he encounters his two surviving sons (one has been a prisoner, the other the ward of the vile and wily Vizcacha), and the son of Cruz (who has become a gambler).
He has a night-long payada (singing duel) with a black payador (singer), who turns out to be the younger brother of the man Fierro murdered in a duel.
At the end, Fierro speaks of changing his name and living in peace, but it is not entirely clear that the duel has been avoided
 
Interesting about the plating Jer. My Pampa ( made in Tandil) that I used a couple of times on steak and chicken did not darkened the way my Capybara did right away
I wrote to someone in Argentina to find out if plating of carbon bades was applied to Tandil blades ( sent him your pics )
If you have a couple more pics in better light I can send them to him as well
Thanks- I'll take some more pics. The blade has some spots that look to me to be rust, though it's mostly shiny,
[I think I was wrong about the plating. The onions and vinegar have given it a little color. ]
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Yes, very interesting. The very long spears caught my attention right away.


Interesting about the plating Jer. My Pampa ( made in Tandil) that I used a couple of times on steak and chicken did not darkened the way my Capybara did right away
I wrote to someone in Argentina to find out if plating of carbon bades was applied to Tandil blades ( sent him your pics )
If you have a couple more pics in better light I can send them to him as well


.... only to find gaucho Dan with his legendary Verijero ready for some troublemaking :p

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A couple more paintings from the epic poem "El Gaucho Martín Fierro"

Gauchos were exploited by the Argentine government and forced to fight in the "Conquest of the Desert".
They were conscripted by the army and got little to no pay. Many of them deserted only to be persecuted and abused even further.
When they eventually were able to return home many found nothing left.

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The brutal fight to the death between Martin Fierro and the Indian.
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"El Gaucho Martín Fierro"
Plot (excerpts from wikipedia):

Martín Fierro, has been drafted to serve at a border fort, defending the Argentine inner frontier against the native people. He deserts and tries to return to his home, but discovers that his house, farm, and family are gone. He deliberately provokes an affair of honor by insulting a black woman in a bar. In the knife duel that ensues, he kills her male companion.
The narration of another knife fight suggests, by its lack of detail, that it is one of many.
Fierro becomes an outlaw pursued by the police militia. In a battle with them, he acquires a companion: Sergeant Cruz, inspired by Fierro's bravery in resistance, defects and joins him mid-battle. The two set out to live among the natives, hoping to find a better life there.

They are taken for spies; the cacique (chieftain) saves their lives, but they are effectively prisoners of the natives.
The poem narrates an epidemic, the horrible, expiatory attempts at cure, and the fatal wrath upon those, including a young "Christian" boy, suspected of bringing the plague.
Both Cruz and the cacique die of the disease. Shortly afterward, at Cruz's grave, Fierro hears the anguished cries of a woman. He follows and encounters a criolla weeping over the body of her dead son, her hands tied with the boy's entrails.
She had been accused of witchcraft.
Fierro fights and wins a brutal battle with her captor and travels with her back towards civilization.

After Fierro leaves the woman at the first ranch they see, he encounters his two surviving sons (one has been a prisoner, the other the ward of the vile and wily Vizcacha), and the son of Cruz (who has become a gambler).
He has a night-long payada (singing duel) with a black payador (singer), who turns out to be the younger brother of the man Fierro murdered in a duel.
At the end, Fierro speaks of changing his name and living in peace, but it is not entirely clear that the duel has been avoided
Was a movie made of this incident/poem? I ask as I have a memory of watching something very similar, filmed I believe in Argentina but with a Hollywood movie star, whose face I can see but whose name I cannot remember? John
 
I bet CelloDan would not be talking to much but find his way to the kitchen and using his Verijero to make a good meal for the rough occupants, and sharing in song and drink!! An Argentinian version of a Viking banquet hall……. with asado cooking outside.

From what I could read, sounds like a pulperia was like a cross between a general store, cantina, and inn, where people could get food and drink. CelloDan CelloDan do you have any comments about a pulperia? Just curious.

Are Atahualpa knives available somewhere and are they useable or just tourist souvenirs? Carbon steel blades.
 
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Thanks- I'll take some more pics. The blade has some spots that look to me to be rust, though it's mostly shiny,
[I think I was wrong about the plating. The onions and vinegar have given it a little color. ]
It does look to be carbon steel from the pics Jer ( small rust spots ) and the use you have given it so far seems to confirm it as the steel has stained with the onions and vinegar.
I was told by our Argentine friend that plating is not used in criollos (if a knife has any it was done by someone else and not likely from factory). He said that plating is more common in military sabers.
More use will definitely tell us for sure ... perhaps the asado for independence day :)
EIther way is a nice criollo !
The smaller Atahualpa that you have, what type of steel is that one ?
I'd fully expect to find CelloDan CelloDan asking the other gauchos about their cuchillos!
I am afraid your are right brother 😊

I bet CelloDan would not be talking to much but find his way to the kitchen and using his Verijero to make a good meal for the rough occupants, and sharing in song and drink!! An Argentinian version of a Viking banquet hall……. with asado cooking outside.

From what I could read, sounds like a pulperia was like a cross between a general store, cantina, and inn, where people could get food and drink. CelloDan CelloDan do you have any comments b about a pulperia? Just curious.
It certainly sounds like it would be so much fun mi amigo :)
I think you your description of the pulperias is spot on :thumbsup:

Was a movie made of this incident/poem? I ask as I have a memory of watching something very similar, filmed I believe in Argentina but with a Hollywood movie star, whose face I can see but whose name I cannot remember? John

I spent some time looking for the movie and I think I found it John.
It is called "Way of a gaucho" and was filmed in 1952 ( it took some elements form the poem of Martin Fierro )


There is a "Martin Fierro" movie in Spanish filmed in 1968. It is too bad that the YouTube upload does not have subtitles in English.

Disney has its version of the gaucho too :D

There is also an animated version of Martin Fierro (with the option to configure english subtitles in settings)
I am not a cartoon type of guy so I have not watch it lol

Signing off to finish packing up for a 7 hour trip to Georgian Bay area with our Serena.
The excitement of the upcoming adventure is at its peak :)
 
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