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GEC Glow Bullnose problems
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Gotcha.
I was just trying to help you avoid the headache of sending it back for them to take ten seconds with a buffer to send it right back.
If the function of the lanyard tube was solid was just a curiosity.
Seems you are hard set on not being happy with it, I wasn't trying to make you feel better about it....
I was just trying to help you avoid the headache of sending it back for them to take ten seconds with a buffer to send it right back.
If the function of the lanyard tube was solid was just a curiosity.
Seems you are hard set on not being happy with it, I wasn't trying to make you feel better about it....
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We all have our own "level of tolerance" for what we deem as acceptable. In my opinion, that one looks a little rough. Especially given that you have some experience with what the manufacturer is capable of producing. The only way a manufacturer is going to know whether he has a problem is to hold the potential problem in his hand and make his decision. "Is this good enough?"
If it bothers you send it back. I would also let the dealer know what you are doing. He may or may not care, but shooting him an email only takes a minute.
Let us know how it turns out please.
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I took a close look at the lanyard tube/hole on my knife under a high-powered magnifying glass and I can see that the edges of the holes for the lanyard were relieved before they inserted the tube and flared it. There does appear to be a slight and I mean slight void between the flared edge of the lanyard tube and the hole in the knife on my knife; however, it is nothing more than GEC flaring it that tiny tick's hair width shy of it completely covering the edge of the lanyard hole relieved edge. Nothing to worry about from where I stand.
As to the scratches on the pivot pin, I do believe they are annoying to you; however, with just a light polishing, I think most (3/4%) of those scratches will polish out. If you plan to pocket carry that knife, then from where I stand the scratches on the pivot pin won't matter as the knife will pick up scratches as a matter of course.
Of course you're the man that has to be satisfied so if you feel you gotta send it back then send it back but remember that it's going to be lonely without it while it's gone.
As to the scratches on the pivot pin, I do believe they are annoying to you; however, with just a light polishing, I think most (3/4%) of those scratches will polish out. If you plan to pocket carry that knife, then from where I stand the scratches on the pivot pin won't matter as the knife will pick up scratches as a matter of course.
Of course you're the man that has to be satisfied so if you feel you gotta send it back then send it back but remember that it's going to be lonely without it while it's gone.
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I think the bright lighting is exaggerating the grind marks on the pivot in the photos but they are not ground to a mirror finish on any of the knives (the Redneck isn't either). The gaps in the cover material around the pivot and the lanyard tube are pretty small but I do seem them. None of those things will affect the function and all of those things are cosmetic... on a knife that is built as a user, not pocket jewelry. It comes down to what's important to you. If you expect perfection, it's probably best to stick with the higher end knives from GEC, like the Northfields... but I've also seen gaps around the shields on the Northfields.
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Im with Ed on the easy fixes and the flaring possibly being a short oversight by GEC. That is all I was getting at on that note.
On the note of wanting to see photos and wanting to know if the lanyard end was solid, that has to do more with general knowledge than telling YOU if its OKAY
Let me try to be more clear. I have a good collection of GEC from 2007 models to the very current gunstock model. For a good portion I was receiving nearly flawless knives. More recently I began getting knives with little slip ups or oversights IMHO. Bladeforums is one way for people to research a manufacturer and debate whether or not to make a purchase. Its one of the better ways to get a decent overview of their work.
The more you can tell us about the flaws, the better. It is simply to help us have a clearer view of what to expect or prepare for. What you decide is acceptable is personal and I am not going to argue with that. I may try to help you DIY, but that again is your decision.
There was a recent thread about 42's that had great photos and thoughts. Including the mention of lock play. People that don't mention this kind of thing help ME less than someone that just say's oh well and tosses it in their pocket.
This is our best resource IMHO.
Kevin
On the note of wanting to see photos and wanting to know if the lanyard end was solid, that has to do more with general knowledge than telling YOU if its OKAY
Let me try to be more clear. I have a good collection of GEC from 2007 models to the very current gunstock model. For a good portion I was receiving nearly flawless knives. More recently I began getting knives with little slip ups or oversights IMHO. Bladeforums is one way for people to research a manufacturer and debate whether or not to make a purchase. Its one of the better ways to get a decent overview of their work.
The more you can tell us about the flaws, the better. It is simply to help us have a clearer view of what to expect or prepare for. What you decide is acceptable is personal and I am not going to argue with that. I may try to help you DIY, but that again is your decision.
There was a recent thread about 42's that had great photos and thoughts. Including the mention of lock play. People that don't mention this kind of thing help ME less than someone that just say's oh well and tosses it in their pocket.
This is our best resource IMHO.
Kevin
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Before you become too frustrated and declare yourself as done, take a look at my comments above your post. More people than you may think use bladeforums as a source of research.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Don't forget that these "Farm & Field" knives are an economy line now for GEC so what you have is an economy line knife from GEC. Your "Redneck" was in their top of the line knife category when it was made. The "Farm & Field" knives don't get the extra attention to detail as the top of the line knives do.
That said; just be happy that it was "throat poppin sharp" out of the tube.
By all means, send it in. Nobody here is trying to talk you out of it - we just like to talk errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr type a lot. Please keep us informed as to how this progresses. Inquiring minds want to know.
That said; just be happy that it was "throat poppin sharp" out of the tube.
By all means, send it in. Nobody here is trying to talk you out of it - we just like to talk errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr type a lot. Please keep us informed as to how this progresses. Inquiring minds want to know.
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I'm not dismissing your concerns. I think it's a matter of perspective. I'm pretty certain that I can find flaws in ANY production knife and I bet I could find flaws in your Redneck knife. What is acceptable is something that only you can decide. I do think that GEC has clearly distinguished the Redneck/Farm&Field knives as working knives but I suspect that lots of buyers will still look over them with the same scrutiny as the more expensive GEC knives. I hope we don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I'm looking forward to more relatively inexpensive knives from GEC.
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I have the RedNeck, and both the F&F in orange and the "glownose". Mine have the small separation around the lanyard tube also, but it is very hard to detect. I would suggest that the flaring of the lanyard tube is probably intentionally done this way. If the tube is flared too much, I would guess that they will crack the acrylic handle. I would doubt, due to the nature of Delrin, that this would be much of a problem, but the acrylic is a more brittle material. Even if they don't crack it during the process of flaring, over time, the constant pressure will eventually cause the handle to crack. My guess is that they are trying to get that fine line between leaving a slight gap or too much pressure that leads to cracking. Seems they fell on the side that I would prefer, that is, a bit more conservative which would tend to leave a gap and no cracking. I can deal with a minute separation as long as things remain functional.
As for the scratches, that looks like an oversight in the finishing process. I would probably be a little upset too. Heck, I would probably throw it in my pocket and buy another! But that's just me because I really like this pattern and materials. Still there always comes a time that we need to tell the manufacturers to clean it up and tighten the quality control. It's all part of the process of free market!
Jeff
As for the scratches, that looks like an oversight in the finishing process. I would probably be a little upset too. Heck, I would probably throw it in my pocket and buy another! But that's just me because I really like this pattern and materials. Still there always comes a time that we need to tell the manufacturers to clean it up and tighten the quality control. It's all part of the process of free market!
Jeff
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Here is where I have a few thoughts. For a while I would recommend GEC to lots of people, not just on this forum. I was honestly able to say, go low end or top of the line ivory, it doesn't matter, they are all just as well made. What won me over with GEC was the fact that they seemed to go above and beyond on their fit and finishing. Now, if the recommendation has to be modified to, "Farm and field is great, just don't look too hard for flaws" then so be it. BUT, if they have lanyard tubes that are not flared enough to be properly functioning, then that is more than finishing, that is fit and an issue I would not accept from a manufacturer that won me over through superior craftsmanship.
This is why I like to know details and NOT let imaginations run wild. I know mine can at times.
I hope my thoughts come off as a personal opinion, not trying to make an argument. A discussion would be my intent.
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Kevin, I'm perceiving this as discussion not argument... you know what they say about arguing on the internet. 
I don't think that any of the flaws mentioned will affect the function of the lanyard tube or the knife. Dirt may get trapped in the gaps. And the scratches aren't as pretty as a mirror finish. ...I'm working on photos of my Redneck and Glow-nose.
I don't think that any of the flaws mentioned will affect the function of the lanyard tube or the knife. Dirt may get trapped in the gaps. And the scratches aren't as pretty as a mirror finish. ...I'm working on photos of my Redneck and Glow-nose.
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Kevin, I'm perceiving this as discussion not argument... you know what they say about arguing on the internet.
Thanks Jake. Then I believe you understand my view of wanting Corndog to address my question about the lanyard being flared enough to hold the knife together tight
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Kevin, I'm perceiving this as discussion not argument... you know what they say about arguing on the internet.
My new economy class black "Fram & Field" looks good. Very, very, miniscule, gap between the lanyard tube and cover and the covers seem to be finished a little differently as I brought up in another thread.
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I wish that I still had my scanner -- scans show far more detail. It's easy to make a knife look pretty in a photo with a digital camera (that may be one of the reason scanners are less popular on eBay. 
). Bright light like in the OP's photos, will highlight scratches but it blows out the details. I took some photos in natural light with both knives in the same photo.
It's easy to make them look good
Here's the lanyard tube.
you can see scratches on the pivot pins on both knives
if you put the pivot pins in a shadow, they show up a little better. there are slightly more scratches on the F&F knife. It is only cosmetic though. There is a small gap in the handle material around the pivot. Dirt might get trapped here but should not affect the function of the knife. Is this acceptable or unacceptable for an economy line intended to be a user? You guys can make the call. I could find similar gaps in lots of production knives. I'm more curious about the construction of the pivot pin itself and how it will hold up over time. Cases tend to get a little bit of slop and side to side play over time.
). Bright light like in the OP's photos, will highlight scratches but it blows out the details. I took some photos in natural light with both knives in the same photo.It's easy to make them look good
Here's the lanyard tube.
you can see scratches on the pivot pins on both knives
if you put the pivot pins in a shadow, they show up a little better. there are slightly more scratches on the F&F knife. It is only cosmetic though. There is a small gap in the handle material around the pivot. Dirt might get trapped here but should not affect the function of the knife. Is this acceptable or unacceptable for an economy line intended to be a user? You guys can make the call. I could find similar gaps in lots of production knives. I'm more curious about the construction of the pivot pin itself and how it will hold up over time. Cases tend to get a little bit of slop and side to side play over time.
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Looks great Jake, thanks for the photos.
I think the 'economy class' thing has me a little confused. I was under the impression the cost would be cut with cheaper materials that came in flat stock as opposed to rod stock. So it could be cut to fit by machine and computer instead of shaped and fitted mostly by hand? Or something like that. I was assuming the lack of hands on fitting and finishing would be lessened in that arena. Not in the final polish of the knife.
As for my personal preference to this issue, IDK. My test run was virtually flawless. If I ordered another I would want the same.
Good thing I don't need 15 sodbusters
I think the 'economy class' thing has me a little confused. I was under the impression the cost would be cut with cheaper materials that came in flat stock as opposed to rod stock. So it could be cut to fit by machine and computer instead of shaped and fitted mostly by hand? Or something like that. I was assuming the lack of hands on fitting and finishing would be lessened in that arena. Not in the final polish of the knife.
As for my personal preference to this issue, IDK. My test run was virtually flawless. If I ordered another I would want the same.
Good thing I don't need 15 sodbusters
I am of the opinion that GEC can make these as good as the rednecks. After all I wanted to get this bullnose for a gift to a good friend. I am embarrassed to give it to him. He has seen my redneck. They do not offer any other bullnose work knife so I think they should put a little more QC IN IT. I would even pay 20 dollars more for no headaches. But I can't buy what they don't offer I guess.
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Hands on fitting and finishing for my .02¢ would include the final polish of the knife.
From GEC's press release concerning their new "Farm & Field" line:
"We did so by utilizing innovative processes, less expensive materials and far fewer labor operations. My underline.
Less expensive materials and far fewer labor operations leads to the economy line description for my .02¢ .
From GEC's press release concerning their new "Farm & Field" line:
"We did so by utilizing innovative processes, less expensive materials and far fewer labor operations. My underline.
Less expensive materials and far fewer labor operations leads to the economy line description for my .02¢ .
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Kevin, They say the use "far fewer labor operations" and that these knives aren't intended to be "shiny" so I suspect that the scratches are a result of less polishing. I wonder if the gaps in the handle materials might be due to differences in the two types of handle materials... I dunno.... but they are within the range that I've seen on MANY production knives.
Corndog74, I'm glad you put up the photos. Sometimes it's easier to explain something with photos rather than words ( example: http://static.neatorama.com/images/2012-06/gangnam-style-animated-gif.gif ). I can understand being willing to pay for more to get more... but there are probably others that wouldn't agree. People have already complained about the $50 price tag. So far, I do think these knives will be fine users... time will tell.
Corndog74, I'm glad you put up the photos. Sometimes it's easier to explain something with photos rather than words ( example: http://static.neatorama.com/images/2012-06/gangnam-style-animated-gif.gif ). I can understand being willing to pay for more to get more... but there are probably others that wouldn't agree. People have already complained about the $50 price tag. So far, I do think these knives will be fine users... time will tell.