GEC to Schrade - a Stockman Comparison

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The four inch, large stockman has been, for some time now, my favorite pattern of pocket knife. GEC’s #81 pattern has met with such rousing acclaim (with prices going through the roof!) that I decided to do a comparo between it and the knife which most likely spawned it, the Schrade 881. To compare apples to apples, so to speak, I chose a green bone version of each knife. The Schrade is a Parker-Frost branded knife from 1978, while the Tidioute is from 2013, and both have 1095 carbon blades.

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You can see that the Tidioute is a slightly larger knife, both longer and deeper, although it is actually thinner through the pins. The springs are slightly softer on the Schrade Parker-Frost, about a 5 to a firm 6 for the Tidioute, but both have good snap. The one drawback to the GEC for me (otherwise I would probably have every handle option ;)) are the short bolsters. Not only are the bolsters shorter on the #81, but because it is also wider, they look even shorter. I think they make the knife look a little “blocky.” But both are beautifully made, and about as useful as a pocket knife can be.

Let’s see your photos of either of these patterns, and tell us what you like and dislike (if anything) about them.
 
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The gec 81 stock is an excellent knife for sure, and it is often compared to the swinden schrade 4" stocks. I'm a schrade guy, so I am biased and prefer schrades over gec. The gec will usually have better attention to detail due to the nature of gec's production methods but these are superficial differences. I like the blades much better on schrade, the gec secondaries are too small in proportion to the frame.

I have compared all my gec 81's to my two best schrade 8813/881 stockmans. These schrades are a different ball game than the old timers and such that most people are used to. The bone and bolsters are more slim and trim, thicker blade stock but a thinner edge, wonderful grinds and swedges, excellent walk and talk. These are examples of the finest era of schrade, and as good of a knife that gec makes they do not do it like these old schrades. Yes, gec may have less gaps and more attention to detail but that is nothing compared to the other differences in which schrade has gec beat. By the way the f&f details are not much different between these schrades and gec 81's, and nobody else does schrade peachseed. :)

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(I may add schrade/gec comparison photos later but it is already too dark now)
 
Jeff, I don't have a GEC but I really like the blade shape of the sheepsfoot on your GEC, the way it tapers off to the point looks like it could be a bit more useful at times.
 
Paul T., I would be VERY grateful if you could do the same measurements I have listed on your old Cut Co. or SW. I'm very interested in just how much they changed from those old beauties to the newer ones like my 1978s. Your Cut Co. is really a fabulous knife!
 
Yes 315, the tip is a little more shallow on the #81, while the Schrade's is a little more abrupt.
 
Sure thing Jeff. I compared the cut co 8813 to my tidioute green bone 81. As a forewarning the tip of my 8813 clip blade is a tad short, so I measured a closer to full length clip from a different 8813, I don't have an unsharpened one to compare.

Schrade cut co 8813
Frame length- 3 15/16"
Frame width center pin- 18/32"
Frame thickness center pin- 3/8"
Clip length- 2 15/16"
Sheepsfoot length- 2 3/8"
Spey length- 2 1/8"
Bolster length- 3/8"
Knife depth- 1"

GEC 81 tidioute green bone
Frame length- hair over 3 15/16"
Frame width center pin- 22/32"
Frame thickness center pin- 1/2"
Clip length- 3 1/16"
Sheepsfoot length- 2 1/16"
Spey length- 2 1/16"
Bolster length- hair over 3/8"
Knife depth- 1 1/8"

All I have is a tape measure so this is as accurate as I can get. If something seems way off then that can probably be attributed to me. o_O
 
I don't have many Schrade knives - just a few Bear Paw LB 7's and one 80T ;however, there is no denying the allure and quality of the older Schrades.

Thanks for the comparison Jeff and to everyone else showing their knives.
 
Jeff my friend- great reading.

I used to have quite a few of each of the compared Stockmans over the years - but for some reason I just didn’t use them much - perhaps the pattern didn’t excite me enough to invest in collecting more of the pattern - that sounds harsh and not totally correct...

When I see the stockman that Thechunk and Jake have shown - those Peachseeds are amazing Knives!

Great Thread - scary reading because you have started me thinking about the Stockman more now- I just don’t need this right now guys :confused: :D
 
Great comparison! I much prefer the GEC #81 because it is slimmer and has more useful blade shapes imo.
 
Duncan, and this is just because I really am that kind of friend, if you happen upon a Cut Co. 8813, just send it my way to avoid the temptation. I hate to see you under any kind of pressure, life is too short! ;)
 
@TheChunk91
Thanks for posting up those old pre-Swenden Schrades. Grail material right there!

You're very welcome, I'm glad when people have interest in the old knives.

These were both grails for me a long time while I was on the hunt. I'm not patient at waiting for knives to come along but the hunt and waiting for nice ones to show up really makes them better. It is still my grail to find minty unused examples as well, plus certain schrade cattle knives which are my "other" favorite.
 
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