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GEC Viper vs RR 2038
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@GasMan1 I just ordered one too. I know some folks don't like imports from certain countries and most of us don't like intentional knock offs Like all those cheap Sebenza clones sporting the CRK logo and so many others that's just an example. With the established patterns of of traditional knives I don't think that "cloning" is a problem if even possible. IMO the traditional rip offs we need to be aware of are buffed knives sold as NOS, parts knives, faked tang stamps pressed over originals or inferior steel blades and so on. In particular I don't believe Rough Rider tried to push the envelope with GEC by their production of this Swayback Warncliffe for a couple of reasons #1 RR is the result of a collaboration between one of the Largest US brick and mortar knife stores with a large internet presence and one of the largest wholesale knife distributor in the US The brand also has a very large following of it's own. In fact there has been a RR thread running here since 2008 with 242 pages and 4822 post the last post was on Tuesday two days ago HERE
I could be completely wrong it may have been an outright attempt to profit from the ideas and work of GEC either way I just bought one and no cloned credit cards were used in this transaction.
I could be completely wrong it may have been an outright attempt to profit from the ideas and work of GEC either way I just bought one and no cloned credit cards were used in this transaction.
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I'm going to check one out - BEST part is its the only RR I've seen that doesn't use that awful matchstrike nail nick ... this one has a swedge and a traditional nick - me likey. I just wish it was a bit smaller, similar to the Case swayback jack which I won't pay what they ask for them & never see a deal on one used on eBay - too many guys hunting them. I just hope I get lucky and I get one where the blade centers in the bed when closed - we shall see ...
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Have you tried to post in the WTB section here on BF?
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I'm not seeing anybody chastise RR for making this knife. Everybody should be championing their effort in hopes of continued growth and added competition to other manufacturers. However, be prepared for prices to begin increasing as execution is enhanced. Which makes it important as hobbyists to evaluate the perceived value.@GasMan1 I just ordered one too. I know some folks don't like imports from certain countries and most of us don't like intentional knock offs Like all those cheap Sebenza clones sporting the CRK logo and so many others that's just an example. With the established patterns of of traditional knives I don't think that "cloning" is a problem if even possible. IMO the traditional rip offs we need to be aware of are buffed knives sold as NOS, parts knives, faked tang stamps pressed over originals or inferior steel blades and so on. In particular I don't believe Rough Rider tried to push the envelope with GEC by their production of this Swayback Warncliffe for a couple of reasons #1 RR is the result of a collaboration between one of the Largest US brick and mortar knife stores with a large internet presence and one of the largest wholesale knife distributor in the US The brand also has a very large following of it's own. In fact there has been a RR thread running here since 2008 with 242 pages and 4822 post the last post was on Tuesday two days ago HERE
I could be completely wrong it may have been an outright attempt to profit from the ideas and work of GEC either way I just bought one and no cloned credit cards were used in this transaction.
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I'll also add that Viper Cutlery (Italy) is making a version of the swayback pattern with Titanium liner, bolsters, m390 steel due to be released this fall, for a much higher retail price tag. It too should be scrutinized and compared to the GEC the same way, just like the Lionsteel roundhead, shuffler, dom, etc. to similar GEC patterns.
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That is a bit of a reach. You have now moved the discussion from what is obviously a closely copied knife, good or bad; to all knives of the same general patterns being made because they are tried / true favorites.
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Consider this a chastisement, not that they'd care. The RR is a shameful ripoff of the GEC Viper. As noted previously swayback wharncliffes are an old pattern, one GEC doesn't have a monopoly on. Rough Rider could have created their own version. That's what GEC did, they didn't simply copy the Case swayback. But creativity is difficult; it's much easier to ride the coattails of better, superior product.
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It was not my intentions to call out anyone for chastising RR because as you said I did not see any post that I thought that was what the poster was doing. If I did I must have communicated my thoughts improperly because I simply was trying to communicate my thoughts as to RR taking any liberties of GEC's designs and in my opinion they probably did not however as stated in my post I could be wrong. This again was just my opinion on a knife subject and after all it's been my experience over the time I've been here that's what this forum is for. However, again if I did ruffle any feathers with my post I did not intend to and it never even crossed my mind that I possibly could have. I do however stand by my opinion as hopefully you stand by yours because seeing things from another persons perspective is one of the things I love about this place because it enhances my own knife knowledge and helps me to reevaluate my ideas by seeing a subject from a different viewpoint and sometimes even changes my opinion of that subject.
I have read my post 3 times and I must be dense because I still can't see anything I wrote to cause you to call me out unless it was my attempt at humor in the last line of my post (and I used Emoji's to try to relay that it was not to be taken seriously) or if it was that my opinion is in stark contrast to yours and that made you uncomfortable. Anyway I hope you fully understand my intent now and all is well between. us.
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Well Said.
Kamagong my old friend thank you for that post it is a perfectly timed, great post. You stated your opinion well with no reservation and a perfect example of what I tried to relay. That is this place is where we can post our opinions of knife subjects without fear of repercussions and all though you and I have posted from 2 very different viewpoints I can see your points and respect both them and your right to them with no judgement as well as the fact they are a bit "eye opening" for me and give me something to think about. Yet I still look to you with the same respect and admiration for your knowledge of all things knives and your readiness to share with everyone (evidenced by your 8492 post) as I have always had.
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I have this knife and I like it quite a bit. I had the GEC Viper a few years back and liked it quite a bit, too. Was the F&F/Steel/etc. better? Sure. It’s a GEC. But, IMO, Rough Rider have upped their game as far as production quality goes, and I’ll continue to buy the patterns I like. Have tons of them and they’re an absolutely awesome product for the money, or otherwise.
I thought it was kinda cool to see. I want a 47 more than any knife I can think of right now. Unfortunately, on my single dad budget....it ain't gonna happen for a while unless there's a new run from GEC. The RR isn't gonna happen either. I try my best to keep my boots and my blades from the US if I can help it. Besides, I want that pattern so bad I want the real thing. I thought the 93 would scratch that itch, but it didn't.
Like I always say....if you like it, cool. If you don't, cool.
Like I always say....if you like it, cool. If you don't, cool.
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A quick update, something I didn't notice earlier. The tip of the blade sticks up just enough to catch you if you run your finger along the back end.
It's so close you can barely see it, but if I rub my thumb along that curve it definitely catches on the tip.
Is that one of those things you'd file the kick down slightly to fix?
It's so close you can barely see it, but if I rub my thumb along that curve it definitely catches on the tip.
Is that one of those things you'd file the kick down slightly to fix?
FYI: That problem isn’t exclusive to RR. I had to file the kick down on my Viper because the tip was a hair or two proud of the handle. I think it’s the swayback pattern generally.A quick update, something I didn't notice earlier. The tip of the blade sticks up just enough to catch you if you run your finger along the back end.
It's so close you can barely see it, but if I rub my thumb along that curve it definitely catches on the tip.
Is that one of those things you'd file the kick down slightly to fix?
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nope just continuing the conversation based on your comment of "I know some folks don't like imports from certain countries and most of us don't like intentional knock offs". To rephrase, to my surprise (edited) i'm not seeing anybody chastise RR's efforts making the pattern, however we as hobbyist can and should compare similar models offered by different brands (yes, Mike, including the Viper / Lionsteel knives)
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This is a 'versus' thread by title. To be able to do a back-to-back-to-back comparison of all three when all three are available is appropriate, comparing the similarities and differences in both material and construction at the different value levels. The inevitable "i can get ten RR2038s instead of one of XXXX" any why someone would choose one or the the other. What's the most common benchmark? My assumption is the GEC.
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Well, then throw in the Case Swayback and the GEC Lambsfoot and several of the English Lambfoot models and on and on. My point is that you jumped from two knives that most would agree one tried real hard to copy all aspects of the other ; which makes it a legitimate "versus" conversation. But, if you feel all wharnie bladed swaybacks should be part of the conversation, that may be legitimate; although a bit aside from the obvious.
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My original post wasn't meant as a confrontational comparison of the two. I think everybody agrees it's like comparing ... steaks to slices of discount bologna, but I happened to have both of them and they are very similar and I thought some people might be interested in how they compare.
Looking forward to having one of the Viper swaybacks to compare also (though as I was writing that out I realized that the GEC Viper and the Viper swayback names might cause some confusion in the future)
Looking forward to having one of the Viper swaybacks to compare also (though as I was writing that out I realized that the GEC Viper and the Viper swayback names might cause some confusion in the future)