Getting Hassled

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I think you're being a bit too harsh on the guy. While I agree that he shouldn't have been showing off his knife that way, and you could easily make the point for that act being stupid; I still don't see the trolling.

In his 2nd-to-last sentence, he clearly did the right thing. Instead of standing there and arguing with the manager, he left. While stores are privately owned establishments that can refuse service to anyone, a real troll would have argued the point.

I also honestly don't see any trolling in his last sentence. Here in NYC, recently, legit business owners have been harassed by a task force set up to specifically check to see if the folding knives being sold over the counter are too easy to open. Classifying all folders as gravity knives, if they can be flicked open; LEOs are targeting small business owners. The task force makes a B.S. bust, shows that they're doing something to reduce crime in the city, and making revenue for the city; since these owners pay hefty fines in order to not have their lives ruined.

Sorry, but I view that as genuine harassment. The topic-starter has a legit point.

The last question he asked? I might be wrong, but I think it was meant to make us think about how we've reacted to those moments when folks have freaked out at the mere sight of a knife. Not necessarily a huge knife, but the knives we prefer to carry.


if the law is written poorly, that is not the officers or task force's fault. that is not harrassment. it is not open to opinion. harrassment is illegal.

feeling you are being harrassed does not make it necessarily so. you may not like the law being enforced, you may not like the way it is being enforced. doesnt make it harrassment.

they are not targeting small businesses, they are targeting businesses that are alleged to be selling illegal merchandise. that they happen to be a small business is incedental.

i wasnt harsh at all. just made a statement of opinion. i only expanded because you responded.
 
if the law is written poorly, that is not the officers or task force's fault. that is not harrassment. it is not open to opinion. harrassment is illegal.

feeling you are being harrassed does not make it necessarily so. you may not like the law being enforced, you may not like the way it is being enforced. doesnt make it harrassment.

they are not targeting small businesses, they are targeting businesses that are alleged to be selling illegal merchandise. that they happen to be a small business is incedental.

i wasnt harsh at all. just made a statement of opinion. i only expanded because you responded.

Police Officers have always had the ability to use their discretion. They are not mindless robots. Sadly, some choose to act that way. Doesn't make it right. Harassment doesn't have to be illegal. There are plenty of legal ways to harass someone. Stalking is certainly considered a form of harassment. For many years, it wasn't illegal because the individual, little things, a stalker did weren't technically against the law. Showing up unannounced at a person's door, a late night phone call everyday, making constant unwanted phone calls but not making any blatant threats..... All examples of harassment, and all were perfectly legal at one point.

I don't like the fact that the law is being selectively enforced. These are legit businessmen who sold tactical folders, for years. Often, to the very Officers who are now busting them. The law didn't change! For years, everything was fine. The knives being sold were never a problem. Now all of a sudden, it's a problem?? How does that work?!

They are definitely targeting small businesses. The large companies, Like Paragon Sporting Goods store, are left alone. I wonder why? Perhaps the fact that Paragon has 14 lawyers (not a typo) on staff! If the task force walks into Paragon, and tries to confiscate their inventory of knives.... now they're dealing with a company that has the funds to stand up to their B.S. in court! They don't want that! So it's the small business owners without even 1 lawyer on retainer who are being target and harassed. Being a small business is far from incidental. As I mentioned in the last paragraph, the knives were legal for years. Even cops bought them! Now all of a sudden, they're not, and the law never changed? That's B.S. ...... I call it like I see it.
 
Police Officers have always had the ability to use their discretion. They are not mindless robots. Sadly, some choose to act that way. Doesn't make it right. Harassment doesn't have to be illegal. There are plenty of legal ways to harass someone. Stalking is certainly considered a form of harassment. For many years, it wasn't illegal because the individual, little things, a stalker did weren't technically against the law. Showing up unannounced at a person's door, a late night phone call everyday, making constant unwanted phone calls but not making any blatant threats..... All examples of harassment, and all were perfectly legal at one point.

I don't like the fact that the law is being selectively enforced. These are legit businessmen who sold tactical folders, for years. Often, to the very Officers who are now busting them. The law didn't change! For years, everything was fine. The knives being sold were never a problem. Now all of a sudden, it's a problem?? How does that work?!

They are definitely targeting small businesses. The large companies, Like Paragon Sporting Goods store, are left alone. I wonder why? Perhaps the fact that Paragon has 14 lawyers (not a typo) on staff! If the task force walks into Paragon, and tries to confiscate their inventory of knives.... now they're dealing with a company that has the funds to stand up to their B.S. in court! They don't want that! So it's the small business owners without even 1 lawyer on retainer who are being target and harassed. Being a small business is far from incidental. As I mentioned in the last paragraph, the knives were legal for years. Even cops bought them! Now all of a sudden, they're not, and the law never changed? That's B.S. ...... I call it like I see it.


this may be the case, though i am not going to take your word for it. if you can provide a link to some info i would certainly read it.

you mentioned harrassment by police earlier, then this post is discussing something different.

police harrassment is illegal. harrassing phone calls are illegal. stalking is illegal. if it wasnt in the past it is now, so your point is somewhat moot.

there are legal criteria to be met to be classified as harrassment. when using the word in a legal context, as it was in the original thread starters post because he mentioned police "harrassment", one should understand what the word implies.

not liking a certain treatment may or may not be harrassment in a legal sense.
 
This thread has degraded to a point of not being beneficial. I'm locking it down.
 
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