ghostfoot moccasins???

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elvenbladesmith07

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hey guys, i was wondering if anyone knows a plan for a pair or moccasin boots, im trying to make something like a apache scout moc for hunting. they need to be quiet, and water proof. the water proofing i do with beeswax, so that isnt the problem. the problem is finding a pattern i like. i want something like a minnetonka mocboot. with a flap and snaps instead of laces, or a combo of both. anyone who has seen "the hunted" knows what apache scout mocs are. or if you have seen the lord of the rings, they look kinda like aragorns or legolases boots. soft sole and waterproof is what i want. the materials will be brown sweude 5oz. and it will be triple thickness for the sole. and it will have a rabbit fur lining. any help critisisms or ideas would be great.

i saw this same design at a medival faire called ghostfoot mocs, because they wer so quiet. but they wer way too expensive, and i prefer to do it myself. and the guy that makes the mocs for "the hunted" wants like $500 dollars for a pair! :mad:
 
The design you're thinking of is found in the book How To Make Your Own Moccasins:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_7/002-3926024-3916006?v=glance&s=books

I picked my paperback copy up for a bit less.
This book may have the design too:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...d=I1PK9H10N7UNQZ&v=glance&colid=2PMNK6U92YNHZ

I've seen it for sale on Native American craft sites.
As for makers, this guys prices are a little lower than Catskills: www.sodhoppers.com.

Hope this helps.

Diablero
 
How quick do the soles wear out on a pair of mocs anyway? Probably not for use on concrete... but off "road" are they a couple miles? Couple hundred? :cool:
 
thanks that helps alot. catskill is kinda stupid the put up an anatomy of their mocs, and now i know how to build them. im still gunna get that book though.
 
well ig to a cheap pair that have lasted me along time wering around the garage and driveway. so i dont think concrete hurts them that bad. this is crap leaather too! i just waxed the bottoms. besides good mocs have more than 1 layer of leather on the sole. my good pair has a plain bottom, a waxed inside sole, and a rabbit furr lining! any its completely water proof!
 
well they call it converyor belt but i think it just has the same type of rubber, and the same texture. considering that most coveryor belts are really thick for industrial purposes
 
I wouldn't wear a pair of leather soled mocs back here in the east or for anywhere for that matter. They are slippery to a fault. I was at a Wed. night 3D shoot years ago when a fella I shoot with shows up with a pair of Dyer mocs made out of buffalo hide. Gorgeous to look at. Well pretty humid out as it was the middle of summer and shooting up and down gullies and hills etc. First time he started to go down an embamkment after some arrows he was on his butt heading south. Would have been funny if he didn't hurt himself. His wife bought them for his birthday and I don't belive he ever wore them again.

What I would do is take some rubber cement or goop as it is sometimes called and coat the bottom of the sole pretty well and then put tire shavings on it. This works pretty well for traction from what people have told me. Supposedly you can get the shavings at a tire recycle center or maybe wholesaler. I used to have a pair of the elk tanned ones you used to see in Outdoor life years ago. This is when I was a hippie. I remember them as being fairly warm on hot days so went back to the buffalo sandals that were the rage back then. Then I discovered Harley Davidsons and I ain't been the same since. Keeepem sharp

PS just looked at some of the links for the posts and I have to tell ya I just don't see 500 bucks for a pair of mocassins no matter how good they are made. Maybe its just me though
 
well, longbow, it depends on how the mocs are made, if they arent custom then yeah they arent worth the asking price of minnatonka, or catskill. but if the are molded to ones foot the work beutifully, especially because you can feel with your foot whats underneath you(rocks, twigs, loose ground etc.). great for hunting and tracking in my opinion, and the whole point of the apache scout moc was to leave no track, or very little inpression. so puting a rubber sole on it defeats that purpose. i was planing on taking barge cement(the stuff in goop) and putting a thin layer on my soles for traction without leaving a sole shape to leave a track in the earth.
 
I haven't seen anything yet that doesn't leave some sort of track here on this earth. If you are walking upright on anything but solid rock that is bare or cement etc etc. you will leave a track. Apache style mocassins were made for the environment that they lived in, mostly for protection against the desert style environment in which they lived. Thorny bushes, cactus etc. All I can say is that try walking down a dew slicked hill on loose leaves with just a slick soled moc. Quite a trick to do without falling. Not saying it can't be done. Just hard to do. I think Palouse archery makes the Apache style mocs for a decent price. Maybe going the www.stickbow.com one will get somehelp in locating a source.

I know 500 bucks ain't in my budget either for a pair of mocs or boots no matter how well made. Others probably think nothing at all on having some made like that. Nothing wrong with that either. If I was going to wear a pair I would certanly put the goop on them. Track or no track left. More peace of mind for myself. Then again I don't know why I wouldn't want to leave a track. keepem sharp
 
yes, everything leaves a track, even apache scout mocs on a rock,if you know how to look you will see a track, just read a few of tome browns books. i never ealized that a leather moc could leave a track on comcrete but it does. but it is so very sutle that people have to work their whole lives to be able to track that good. thanks for the help everyone!
 
What do you look for when tracking a moc on concrete? Leather shavings?

Hard for me to imagine someone visually doing it... but where theres a will theres a way, so they say!
 
Hotrod,

You just keep following the bloodhound and let him make all the critical decisions. Mac
 
dont look at me to tell ya, ask tom brown. ive yet to read his book on tracking. but i have read "case files of the tracker". he has a spiritual connection with everyone, and everything he trackes, so maybe hes not looking for a track on the concrete maybe this "connection" allows him to feel a past presence on the tracking subject. atleast thats how it sounded in case files of the tracker. i was little skeptical to this and also his concentric waves thing, but he is the authority on tracking so i believe it. i also believe humans do have a connection with the earth and nature, but we have just lost it because of our "civilized" easy lifestyles. the only reason brown still has his connection is because he was trained by an apache, and spent most of his early life in the middle of nowhere with nothing and nobody.
 
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