Give a break for a DUI? What do you think?

What would you do in this situation?

  • Arrest

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  • Don't arrest and give a warning and make him find a ride

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I have another senario that I am curious how people will think.
What about stopping an ER doctor for DUI who works at the hospital where they would take you if you got shot or soemthing?
Give him a break or arrest him knowing that he may be in the position to operate on you?

This has not happened to me but I could see it happening. I did get a nurse once though.
 
I have another senario that I am curious how people will think.
What about stopping an ER doctor for DUI who works at the hospital where they would take you if you got shot or soemthing?
Give him a break or arrest him knowing that he may be in the position to operate on you?

This has not happened to me but I could see it happening. I did get a nurse once though.

Seriously, how would you like to be operated on by a drunk doctor? Id arrest him on the spot. Period.
 
How about a pilot, bus driver or train engineer.

Almost any body when drunk can have an impact on your life, this is one area where there is no gray area, drunk is drunk, end of story.
 
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I have another senario that I am curious how people will think.
What about stopping an ER doctor for DUI who works at the hospital where they would take you if you got shot or soemthing?
Give him a break or arrest him knowing that he may be in the position to operate on you?

This has not happened to me but I could see it happening. I did get a nurse once though.

How about the teacher who might have your child in his class next year?

How about the gynecologist who you will never see professionally but who plays golf every other Saturday with that ER Surgeon you mentioned?

"So, how's your practice going these days? Any interesting cases?"

"Oh, I've hardly had time to be in the office. I'm up to my eyeballs in legal problems."

"What? What happened? Major malpractice suit?"

"No. I was arrested! Can you believe that?"

"What?"

"That jerk, Officer Eyeeatingfish, he is just full of himself. I told him that I was a doctor and that it was my professional medical diagnosis that I was not drunk and yet he arrested me, and had my car towed too!"

"The new Mercedes?"

"Yes, and they scratched it too."

"His name is Eyeeatingfish?"

"Yup."

"I hope he never shows up in my ER. We might go just a few units shy on the morphine."

No, you can't take a chance with ANY doctor at all. They talk.

And what about rich people? They talk too.

Scene opens in the steam room at an upscale country club...

"Thurston, we missed you at the dance last night..."

"Oh, Milton, you'll never believe what happened. I was driving my brand new Mercedes, don't quite have the feel for it yet you know. And I mean really, you know how it is, it takes a week or two to get the feel of a new car and then the new car smell wears of in a month and you have to get a new one. Why can't they make a longer lasting smell? Anyway, this horrible little officer, I think his name was, get this, Eyeeatingfish, pulled me over and arrested me. He thought I was drunk."

"Eyeeatingfish? Ha, ha, ha... his mortgage refi application is on my desk right now.... and in my trash can tomorrow I assure you! I'll e-mail you a copy of his credit report and balance sheets, you'll get a laugh out of it."

How about the plumber who might come to your house at 2:00AM in just a few months when that pipe freezes and bursts?

How about the engineer who might design some of the equipment that your life might someday depend on?

How about the moderator at bladeforums.com who could ban you?

How about ... how about... how about...

No. This is one of those things that you've just got to stop before it starts.





Why do police wear uniforms? Well, there are several reasons, but one of them is the same reason why priests and pastors in many churches wear cassocks, the robes which cover the person's entire body. Years ago, during the Gulf War, I lived in Cedar Rapids, Iowa where the police chief got into some hot water with the media when he disciplined several officers who wore on their uniforms lapel pins which were suddenly popular at the time which had an American flag and the words, "Support our troops," below it. Such pins were very discrete, very professional, so why the problem? Because officers are not supposed to express individualism on their uniforms. The very word "uniform" means... well... uniform, all the same. What if a bar owner called police because two of his customers were in a fist fight over whether or not the US should have engaged in the Gulf War? How will the pugilists react if the officer is wearing that pin, if the officer has already declared a bias in the matter? When someone calls 911 and asks for a police officer, it shouldn't matter who responds, whether Officer Shawn O'Brian, Officer Yee Chang, or Officer Esmeralda Ramírez, the outcome will be the same because it doesn't matter who the officer is but that he is an officer. When an officer arrests someone, it is not Mr. Shawn O'Brian or Mr. Yee Chang or Mrs. Esmeralda Ramírez who makes the arrest, but a sworn police officer. The arrest is not by the authority of Mr. Shawn O'Brian, but by the authority of Officer Shawn O'Brian's office.

(I know, I know, it's a nice theory, but it doesn't always hold the practice. It is, however, the underlying theory and, therefore, what we turn to to answer this sort of question.)

The point here is this: Don't personalize your work. Remember, you are wearing a uniform that covers you. You are not acting as yourself but in the capacity of your office.

Treat every person the same.
 
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Sometimes the right decision is the most difficult decision.

Drunk driving isn't cool - everyone knows this deep down, and even if they don't show it to you, they believe it.

Good job.
 
I have another senario that I am curious how people will think.
What about stopping an ER doctor for DUI who works at the hospital where they would take you if you got shot or soemthing?
Give him a break or arrest him knowing that he may be in the position to operate on you?

This has not happened to me but I could see it happening. I did get a nurse once though.

Arrest.

Too many people are hurt or killed by drunk drivers every year. The laws in this state are such that there is no leniency. Over the limit, under arrest. No matter who you are.

Not even cops, or prosecutors get a break.
 
ive released doctors on call who are responding directly to the hospital for other violations.

but if they are dui, they shouldn't be responding on call in the first place. at this point, whether or not i arrest has nothing to do with them being a doctor on call.
 
I think you did the right thing. If I were in your position there would be very few exceptions, if any, that someone would get a pass when they were intoxicated and speeding. Look at it this way, if you let him go that night he might have caused a wreck and killed someone.
 
I have another senario that I am curious how people will think.
What about stopping an ER doctor for DUI who works at the hospital where they would take you if you got shot or soemthing?
Give him a break or arrest him knowing that he may be in the position to operate on you?

This has not happened to me but I could see it happening. I did get a nurse once though.

Two points to my response.
1) Question: What's the difference between getting hit by a fry cook doing 50 mph in a 25 zone or an ER doctor doing 50 mph in a 25?
Answer: Their repair bill. Mercedes cost more then Chevy's to fix. Your still going to be in a world of hurt.

2) You're a cop. And, people generally don't like get caught doing something wrong. Sooner or later you're going to cross paths with somebody you put in the back of your patrol car, or who just doesn't like you on general principle.
 
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I voted arrest. I've been out of Patrol & have not had to deal with DUI drivers for 10 yrs now, but either way, I think you made the right decision.

For the record, I've had to audit calls, meaning I've been on the other side asking why the arrest was or wasn't done.

You're not going to please everyone, period. As some posts have stated, where do you draw the line? I recall at least 1 post about mentioning that if someone passes their FSTs, are compliant, & blowing a .08, they might get them a ride, figuring that by the time their blood's tested at the station, they might very well be below .08. That's different, IMHO, but that also included passing the FSTs, being compliant, & perhaps not showing impairment. One has to take everything into account.

You might feel bad & apparently some of your co-workers didn't like it, but guess what...you're not having to worry about if you'll still have a job or get disciplined. You did what you had to do.

I probably wouldn't eat at that restaurant for a while, though.
 
To Gollnick and OP:
Gollnick: I'll start off by saying that some of which you write I agree with. However, you seem not to undestand that in every job there is an inherent benefit from your production. As with police work, there are many such as extra jobs, extra pay for going to court, and such. It's not the reason one becomes a Police Officer; they are just there for the taking. If a Police Officer has night shift, they must pay him extra for showing up to court during off hours. THAT simple. A benefit from your production of putting a DUI (as in the specific incident) in jail is the extra pay. A Police Officer does not make arrests so that he/she can make that extra cash, they do what they were sworn in to do! To acknowledge these benefits makes him no more corrupt than those who work "extra jobs" while off duty. They are important jobs that must be done by those that can do the job well and with the authority given by the state to do those jobs legally. They are a benift of the job. THAT simple!
My brother is an officer for a large department of 5000. He has been on for 5 years, and has made a name for himself in the department. He works hard on and off duty to make money for his family. He puts many people in jail while doing what he was sworn to do. He is about as corrupt as Jesus Christ himself, and yet he makes money from extra jobs. Explain that with your ever so "humble opinion" !!

OP: I understand what you are going through. As an EMT, I get a perk to eat from the hospitals that I drop patients off to. A few years ago, an EMT from our company did something stupid and our perk was dropped. They had a real reason to be upset.
However, you did your job and the perk was dropped. Now they must make sandwiches at home and bring them to work or be forced to eat crappy fast food. Big damn deal, you got a DUI off the street. Good for you, Good for the dpt!
 
Drunk drivers SHOULD be arrested!! There should NOT be any breaks in driving drunk!

And who cares what other people think! You are doing your JOB!! Arm chair quarter backing serves no one.
 
People in my life who are gone.

A couple of them COULD, and this is a fact, still be alive if it weren't for certain lenient LEO's and/or Judges who allowed them to retain the privilege of driving after prior drunk driving arrests.

Eric & Mike both suffered painful deaths and bled out while in a crushed/mangled wreck, on scene after being hit by a drunk driver. Their car was stopped at a red light and was hit broadside by a guy who was doing in excess of 100 mph and no skids marks noted. (Drunk got 2 for 1) Both closed caskets. There were four people in that car. The two that lived are basically vegetables and in wheel-chairs. 24 hour care for life.

Lisa was killed instantly by a drunk driver. Closed casket.

Dave was killed crossing a road after church. Hit by a drunk driver. Closed casket.

Dave (another one) was hit head-on by a drunk driver who was reported to be on his cell-phone but claimed he was just lighting a ciggy and took his eyes off the road for a second. Decapitated/closed casket.

Jessica, a friends daughter, and 5 other kids were all killed by the actions of the drunk driver of the car they were in. They were all teenagers.

John, his wife and infant baby were all killed in a head-on collision caused by a drunk driver. They were a young happy couple returning from a weekend trip to Wisconsin. The only survivor was their dog who was found snuggled against the infants lifeless body. (Drunk got 3 for 1) All closed caskets.

A drunk driver is a drunk driver. Doesn't matter if it's a Senator, a priest, a doctor or nurse or a LEO. Your still driving drunk. Arrest them.
 
I'm assuming your debt to society has been paid in full and you now have an unrestricted driver license? You have also sworn never to drive after drinking again?

Junior, what you done is no-one's damn business. You keep that to yourself. You do not even need to write that DUI on job applications as it is considered a traffic misdemeanor rather than a criminal offense. The only exception to this would be if you are applying for a driving job, such as deliveryman or chauffeur. I, personally, know a couple guys employed in law enforcement with DUI on their record, and one of them even got dinged for a felony 2nd offense.

Stop living in shame. You need to get past this.

I have been off of probation for awhile and my record is clear. I am definitely not going to drive after drinking due to the possible consequences.
The part of you knowing people who are leo's with DUI's on their records is reassuring. I almost have my bachelors in criminal justice and want to be a leo morethan anything.
 
Just to update,
I did go to the restaurant this week and they did still offer me half off. It was not the same worker as I arrested though. I decided to ask to pay full price because I don't think I can take the moral high ground if I still take the half off benefit. It is basically a conflict of interests.
A small eatery might do it to be nice but a larger chain like this, I am sure, knows the benefits of having cops around at night. They don't offer the discount if you are taking out and they don't offer the discount during the day.

Interestingly all of the people were were cross with me still went to the restaurant and ordered as usual. I guess they were not that worried about it all.




I would like to find someone famous either politically or socially. I have to admit it would be a neat bragging point but I also like the fact that I think it sends a good message when famous people get arrested. It shows that they don't get breaks and it also makes people more aware that police are out there and arresting DUI drivers.
 
People in my life who are gone.

A couple of them COULD, and this is a fact, still be alive if it weren't for certain lenient LEO's and/or Judges who allowed them to retain the privilege of driving after prior drunk driving arrests.

Eric & Mike both suffered painful deaths and bled out while in a crushed/mangled wreck, on scene after being hit by a drunk driver. Their car was stopped at a red light and was hit broadside by a guy who was doing in excess of 100 mph and no skids marks noted. (Drunk got 2 for 1) Both closed caskets. There were four people in that car. The two that lived are basically vegetables and in wheel-chairs. 24 hour care for life.

Lisa was killed instantly by a drunk driver. Closed casket.

Dave was killed crossing a road after church. Hit by a drunk driver. Closed casket.

Dave (another one) was hit head-on by a drunk driver who was reported to be on his cell-phone but claimed he was just lighting a ciggy and took his eyes off the road for a second. Decapitated/closed casket.

Jessica, a friends daughter, and 5 other kids were all killed by the actions of the drunk driver of the car they were in. They were all teenagers.

John, his wife and infant baby were all killed in a head-on collision caused by a drunk driver. They were a young happy couple returning from a weekend trip to Wisconsin. The only survivor was their dog who was found snuggled against the infants lifeless body. (Drunk got 3 for 1) All closed caskets.

A drunk driver is a drunk driver. Doesn't matter if it's a Senator, a priest, a doctor or nurse or a LEO. Your still driving drunk. Arrest them.

Wow... I am not that old but I don't really know anyone personally who died in a DUI related accident. Don't think I know anyone personally who died in an accident at all.

I hope the drunk driver was caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in each case!
 
You did the right thing.
You also should set better boundaries and NOT take discounts/free meals/ etc.
If your policy is clear about it, stick to the rules.
My agency is very clear about discounts, etc. They are a NO NO.

It helps prevent issues like you are talking about.

In my state, it's esimated that the average DUI driver drives intoxicated 20+ times before they are caught the 1st time. 52 in a 25 ? Hell yes, book 'em.
 
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