Glocks vs others

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Stavrou0

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Well, I am by no means a Glocknut. But I own a Glock 17 and Glock 30. I also own a Colt Python. I do love the Glocks for their reliability and durability, I dont mind if they get banged up. They are the AK of the handgun world. But everytime I bring my buddy to the range and we swap handguns, I seem to shoot his Baby Eagle .45, Colt 1911, and Berreta 92Fs much better than my Glocks. I am bewildered. Those handguns seem more natural to aim.

Are there any other handguns with the durability of a Glock and short trigger reset and more natural grip. I heard the SIG line was awesome. But one guy at the range said "they were too hard to clean , stay with your Glock" I would like to find a a nice .45acp medium sized framed handgun.. something about the size of a Glock 19. I would like to be able to carry on occasion. But I dont want a Glock I feel like getting something different. Any suggestions?
 
You need to get what you shoot best. I have tried half the autos made in the world. And keep coming back to my 1911s. When I pick up a 1911 it outshoots them all. Forget the mystique and get what you shoot best. There is a Glock cult out there (not to forget the 1911 cults) and I think it has to do with it being the first most sucessful modern plastic gun. They are slowly being replaced by police departments with Springfield XDs, S&W MPs, not to mention 1911s and those who still carry SIGs and Berettas. If you pick it up and it feels, points and shoots well then get it.
 
I am a Glock man with a G22 and G27. My brother is a Taurus man with a Taurus 24/7 and now a small frame 45. He keeps looking to get a new Taurus 1911. There are some great things said about them and priced at around 650ish they may be worth looking into. I honestly think I can shoot better with his Taurus 24/7 than I can with my G22, but I like the proven reliability of the Glock better... but I would have no problem taking a Taurus anywhere with me. They have some interesting new features on them.
 
Glox point high for most people. Maybe that's what is throwing you off.

This can be fixed, however, with a grip reduction. The new Glock 30 SF might address that issue enough without sending it out for surgery.

The XD and M&P are viable choices, but both benefit greatly from a trigger job from someone that actually knows how to do one on those guns. Of course, the same thing could be said of the Glock.....

A grip redux and a better trigger would make it seem like a new gun. Put on some good sights while you're at it !

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I love my Sig 229. Sigs are heavier than glocks but they feel a lot better in my hand. I dunno about the harder to clean part. The slide rail needs to stay lubed... I've only cleaned a glock once dont remember it being any easier. And mine is incredibly reliable. Never had any jams or FTE's. The 226 outlasted the 92's when the army tested them. So reliability aint an issue.
 
Check out the CZ product line, particularly the P01. I find it to be extremely accurate, ergonomic and the NATO cert torture tests it passed speak for themselves.

Ooops, just reread and saw your .45 ACP requirement.

Check out the XD's. I have the CZ 97B which is their .45 ACP -- it is NOT medium sized :)
 
After owning a Kimber TLE II for several years, I bought a glock 30 intending it to be my "go to" hand gun. 10 round mag seemed like a better idea, it fit my hand well, and I could toss it in a coat pocket or a Milt Sparks VM2.

Know what? I used it for a year and just last month when there was a shooting down the block and we didn't know if the perp was caught yet, I put the kimber on my belt. (oh course I had a loaded shotgun nearby as well, but I couldn't carry that around the house all the time. That would be silly)

Just like I have more knives than I could use in a lifetime and go back to my F1, I keep going back to the Kimber.

It's what works for me, instinctively. Find one that does the same thing for you.

Mike
 
I would try both the Springfield XD and the S&W Military and Police. Both have different grip angles from the Glock and may point better for you. I have owned about a dozen Glocks over the years from carry guns to competition models. I even won a regional Glock Match but I have never been fond of the Glock's ergonomics. I have to make a conscious effort to break my wrist in order to line up the sights. This is the results of 35+ years shooting the 1911. Currently the glock I own is an all metal lower married to a carbine upper.
 
Absintheur said:
I have to make a conscious effort to break my wrist in order to line up the sights. .
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Thats EXACTLY what I have to do. Consciously, think about angling my wrist.
I dont have nearly the shooting time as most people on this forum but I dont seem to have that problem with my buddy's 1911 and Baby eagle.
 
So far my best results have come from a HK USP in 9mm. I found the USP .45 too big for my hands. I have found thought that the Sig grips are the most comfortable for me as well as the Walther P99. The Beretta just feels weird to me. I like the 1911 but find it a bit bulky for me, plus I'm into the more modern looking handguns. As for the glock, I've fired a number of them and I don't really like the grips in any of them, a little too blocky for me, I know the HK line are similar but they seem just a tad bit more ergonomic. I've also fired a number of Springfield such as the extreme duty, its very user friendly and I would go for one. My next handgun though will likely be the Sig P227 as it fits my hands the best

I was most accurate with the HK though

I tend to do better with handguns with a more square angle from the slide, the swept back angle of the glock and 1911 aren't as good for me. like Absintheur said, try the springfield or the HK line like the USP or P2000. The P99 is an amazing fit for the hand but it has some durability problems
 
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Keep in mind, the guns being suggested that are Double action on the first shot ALL have a horrible, long, hard, sometimes gritty DA pull on that all important first shot.

Any gun carried for defense needs to be accurate from the first shot, not just accurate from the second shot.

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We've been carrying the Glock (M23) for about 12-13 years now. Put thousands of rounds through the thing with no failures whatever.
A superb combat pistol IMO.

Still, they are unlovely.... Not well suited for target shooting (I've never tried one of the target models). For it's intended purpose, it doesn't seem to me you could ask for much more. The simplicity of operation, the dead-on reliability...
 
I have a G23 with a 3.5 lb trigger spring and have found it to be quite accurate. Pop up a can and shoot it in the air accurate. Some would say the 3.5 lb spring is a bit light for a gun without a "safety" but I was always taught that the safety is in between your ears.
I also love to plink with my Dan Wesson .357. I guess it doesn't have a "safety" either. Some guns fit some folks some guns don't. The trick is to practice with what you got so that when you need it, you can hit with it.
Oh yeah my little Ruger Mark IV is a joy to shoot as well
Just my opinion though
 
I've carried my Model 19 on duty for fifteen years, no thumb grooves, no light rails... pure combat pistol. I have never had a malfunction that was not deliberately induced (in training.) Not one. Others, of course, have. We understand that nothing, not even "Glock Perfection" is perfect. ;)

In my opinion the Glocks, most especially in 9mm, are the finest service pistols available. Not target pistols, not race guns, not collector's pieces. Service guns. As you said, similar to AK-s.

What that means is, if I was arming a police department I would choose Glock, probably in 9mm. A Glock will work for anyone, it might not be perfect, but it will perform its function. A service gun isn't about bullseyes, it isn't about providing pride of ownership, or stroke-ability, it's about killing those goddammned zombies. ;)

However, since you are not talking about a service piece, and the Glock isn't your "ideal" then I'd recommend choosing another pistol. Shoot a bunch and get what you like.

The only other advice I'd offer, and I do it earnestly because I see so many disregard it, is this: Do not carry a rotation of multiple guns with vastly different manuals of arms. Do not carry a Glock, and a 1911, for example, interchangeably.

A defensive firearm is not a fashion statement, even though we may enjoy different types. If one is serious, it's a life and death responsibility and deciding if you need to simply squeeze, or sweep and squeeze, or rack and squeeze, or cock and squeeze, or... is not what you want to be doing when the worst-case moment you've imagined finally arrives.

You take my meaning I hope. Good luck sir, and good on you for seeing what there is to be done and doing it.
 
Well, one things for sure. I hear echoed throughout this thread. I most definitely need to get comfortable with 1 pistol for carry purposes, Practice with it exclusively, and make it one with my body and never look back. I think Mr. Tortoise summed it up best.

One of the main reasons for getting my Glocks were becuase of their utter simplicity and reliability. I dont have buyers remorse. I just wish they fit my hand better. I know that sounds wierd. Sometimes, I wish I should have never picked up those other guns. I would have never known what I was missing.

I had the same problem when I was racing motorcyles, always wanting something faster, better,... but this is different, this is a life or death choice to protect myself or loved ones.

Anyways,, thanks for your posts.. I am going to the range this weekend.. If anyone has any recommendations on handguns with short trigger reset and a not so long DA pull, let me know.. i will try those out. For now i will practice with my Glock 30.
 
I've never owned a Glock,so I can't really comment on them.

As far as auto pistols go,I like the good old Springfield,Colt,or Kimber 1911(with the Kimber being the closest to a custom you can get over the counter,but you'll pay through the nose for it)..I got a thing for the .45ACP with pistols,but I won't look down my nose on a .380 either.They're great for concealment & with HP's they will provide adequate stopping power.

As far as revolvers go...it's Smith & Wesson all the way.IMO,No one makes a better,more reliable revolver.
2nd choice for revolvers is Colt
my preferential minimum caliber for a revolver is .38-.357 & the largest being the 44mag.
I don't really like 22lr's unless I'm varmint hunting,which I don't do anymore.They are pretty cool shooting paper though.

I used to like Taurus years ago,but their QC has lacked in the recent years.

....just my 2cents.
 
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Stavrou0 said:
Well, one things for sure. I hear echoed throughout this thread. I most definitely need to get comfortable with 1 pistol for carry purposes, Practice with it exclusively, and make it one with my body and never look back. I think Mr. Tortoise summed it up best.


Anyways,, thanks for your posts.. I am going to the range this weekend.. If anyone has any recommendations on handguns with short trigger reset and a not so long DA pull, let me know.. i will try those out. For now i will practice with my Glock 30.
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With training changing firearms is not a problem, I have no problem going from a Browning HP to a revolver to a KH P-7 to a Glock back to a revolver to a 1911...and so on. However I have trained extensively with all types of firearms. But if you are not able or willing to put in the hours you are better staying with one type of firearm.

As for the triggers, the two I suggested have the same type of "safe trigger" as the Glock, which is why I suggested them.
 
Stav--- the models you mention are all significantly heavier than Glocks. You should compare models of similar weight and balance to determine if it's the shape, trigger, weight, or sights that make the most difference. Not easy but practical. Regards, ss.
 
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