Glocks vs others

For me, I will not be able to put in that much range time ( once a month ). For Safety purposes, I should probably stick to 1 gun. The range I go to has XDs to rent.. I will check those out and compare them to the Glock. What will probably happen , is i will shoot the XD, but then the "Grass is never greener" syndrome will kick in , and will just settle with I have and be done with it. :D
 
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For me the main thing in an EDC gun is size and weight.Doesn't matter how well you shoot it if it's at home or in the truck when you need it.

For an EDC I want something small and light in a man stopping caliber.If I can't carry it every day in any weather it's useless to me.

After many EDC guns I now carry a Glock 36.I once said I would never own one of these ugly pieces of plastic but now for me I can't find anything better.
 
Quit switching guns and spend more time and ammo mastering YOUR weapon.

Most all guns will shoot well---its the shooter thats the weak link. Work on the shooter part of the equation.
 
imho its hard for folks with small hands to shoot hi-cap pistols with large grips, like glocks, me, i have never had that problem, i have large hands, but my wife couldnt shoot glocks or barrettas as well as her SIG P225 or kahr PM9.

SIGs are no harder to clean than a glock/kahr/etc.

if ya cant learn to live with the glocks grip, either get it reduced or get a slimmer design like a P225,1911, or a kahr, imho it wont help to go from a glock to another hi-cap big grip pistol like say a berretta 92.

i do believe with practice ya can learn to shoot whatever ya wanna learn to shoot in whatever calibre ya desire.
 
Gun fit is an important factor. You should be able to close your eyes, bring the firearm up to firing position, open your eyes and find the sights without having to adjust grip or having to break your wrist. My father shoots a Glock and doesn't have the problems with it I have...just a difference in people.
 
Allright, I just got back from the range, on a extendo Friday lunch break. I rented the XD9. All I can say is WOW. Fits nice in my Hand. Much better grip for me. And fit and finish are the same as the Glock. Trigger is about the same, its got that plastico feeling I am used too. Overall its a much better fit in my hand. the XD9 frame seems a tad thicker. But that grip sold me, it feels more natural ... Now I gotta cut this wishy washy bullcrap. Make a decision and stick to it. And practice, practice. If i can find a good price for an XD9. I am definitely there.

Thanks for the opinions and support.
 
When I first saw Glocks I hated them. Swore I'd never own one and would much prefer my Sig Sauer anyday of the week. Then I got one in a good deal. It is a Glock 17. To date its the only handgun that has never malfunctioned in any way shape or form on me after shooting countless thousands of rounds through it. I bet its probably upwards of 10k at this time if not more. I shot that thing a lot and I got it used from a cop. Its a very old model with a three digit number too. It was serviced by Glock once for a new spring and clean up. As I recall it was something I read in a magazine. Guns and Ammo I think that said if they were a certain age Glock recommended replacing the spring that came on them. I did it since my 17 fell in that number.

Anyway, the first thing I noticed was the point of aim difference with the Glocks and it did take some getting used to but you know what? I find it no problem now at all. Once you have it down its really better than the old way and done for a reason. I'll admit though that the first shot is usually high if you haven't been carrying it and are used to something else. At first though it shot high all the time and especially on quick draw but after a while it was soon all different for me. No Glock is going to shoot super tight groupings anyway, and sure not like my Trophy Match but its close enough for the money diff to make it justifiable. I've found with mine if you concentrate you can actually do some impressive groupings with a stock Glock.

The other thing that stood out to me was the Glock finish difference compared to my other handguns. Glocks finish is one which I think is second to none by the way. Sig, Springfield, Colt, S&W and many others could take lessons from Glock for the durability of their finish. I've never owned one of the others that could keep up there. Sigs look like they are 10 year old firearms in six months in my experience.

Currently I own a Glock 17 9mm and a Glock 36 45 cal. Both are flawless. I've owned a two Glock 26 models in 9mm and neither were as good a gun as these first two. Both had some issues so it is possible to get a bad one. The first one had to be sent back to them to get it to shoot reliably. The second was just stubborn and I never did get it to work to my satisfaction. I traded it later and the guy that got it said its a great gun for him. Go figure.

Anyway, I like my Glocks a lot but I like my Sigs, and my 1911s but most of the time I carry my Seecamp or my S&W 32 H&R Mag wheel gun for concealed carry because quite simply they are easier to hide under a T-shirt. On occasion I'll carry my Glock 36 model but its so heavy that usually its my bag gun for off body or my travel gun for center console in the sheath I have velcroed in place there for the summer months. I can only get away with that one in the winter with bigger baggier clothing on to help hide it.

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I really like the Springfield XD. If my department didn't mandate we carry Glocks I would have the XD.
 
Stavrou0 said:
Now I gotta cut this wishy washy bullcrap. Make a decision and stick to it. And practice, practice. If i can find a good price for an XD9. I am definitely there.

Thanks for the opinions and support.
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There is a lot to be said for that nebulous thing called "gun fit."

There is also much to be said about fighting your equipment. If your Glock simply doesn't fit you, then as I've already said, either make it fit (grip reduction) or buy something that fits you from the start. Sounds like you found that in the XD. I like mine. I won two and made GrandMaster with one, so I think they're a worthy choice.

Quick story on the XD: My father in law is a gunowner as opposed to being a shooter. He has a Glock 19. I handed him my XD-40 and he hit the steel plate 10 for 10. His first 10 shots from a strange gun resulted in 10 hits. Just prior to this, he went 6 for 10 with his own Glock 19.

That says quite a bit about the pure shootability of the XD.

While you're looking at XD's, also consider the newly introduced XD-M in .40. (I'm sure the 9mm is forthcoming, but who knows when?) Check it out to see if the changes would benefit you any.

Keep us posted !

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When it comes to the 40 S&W, I still am not sold on the cartridge. With good ammunition like the Cor-Bon DPX the difference in penetration and expansion doesn't justify the lower magazine capacity or the higher recoil impulse that can increase recovery time between shots. It was a answer to a problem that didn't exist...more of a marketing move than an improvement in the art. There is nothing wrong with the cartridge...it works fine but it doesn't work better than what existed before it. What it did do was to give S&W a proprietary cartridge with their name on it, something we are seeing more and more often these days. I have shot them in the past, owned guns in the caliber when it was first introduced, shot them in competition and won with them but came to realize it was no better than the calibers that bracketed it and for the most part returned to the 9X19 or .45acp. I seldom carry an auto as a main gun these days preferring my 325PD but when I do it is a 9mm.

btw...The first 40S&W I owned did damage my hand somewhat when it blew up but that was the fault of the powder manufacturer, not the caliber itself. But I reload just about everything I shoot except for my carry ammo. I saw no real need to add another caliber setup to my already very extensive loading bench just to duplicate what other cartridges I already loaded for.
 
I believe in a handgun that fits well, in the grip and in the trigger reach. It is also important that it "point" well for the user. Yes, it is possible to train around fit and point issues, but I don't believe in fighting nature when you can work with it.

My personal experience with Glocks started in 2002, when, for reasons too long to get into here, I had to stop using 1911 pistols as duty weapons. I could not go back to my beloved sixguns, because I had not "grandfathered" any of them when we switched to certain .40 DA autos in 1997. By 2002, Glocks were in their 3rd generation, and these new Glocks pointed well for me. I could never seem to shoot quite as nice and tight groups with a Glock as with a 1911 or sixgun, but the real-world difference seemed negligible, and I figured I would get better.

Well, I was frustrated in my efforts to get better, shooting several thousand rounds over a couple of years. In 2004, I handled a SIG P229, with the new DAK trigger system, and a factory short trigger. This was a revelation for me; while I had long known I liked the feel of the P228/P229 grip, the standard trigger was to much of a reach for good DA shooting. Once I verified that I could qual with a DAK version of the P229, I pulled out the credit card. I fired the P229 cold, for the first time, on my agency's qual course, and fired a higher score than I had ever achieved with the Glock G22.

As soon as I bought one of the mandatory Safariland 070 duty holsters, and ran 500 rounds through the P229, I was carrying it on the street. The DAK trigger meant that I did not have to re-learn the DA-to-SA transition. I had just spent well over a thousand dollars in the transition, but IMHO, it was worth it. Subsequent shooting with a "traditional" DA P229 showed that it was not the DAK trigger system that made the P229 so good for me, but the short factory trigger. I wish I had known that a couple of years sooner, because I did not get my money back that I had spent on a couple of duty-sized Glocks, and the baby Glock I got for back-up.

I believe that the Glock's chunkier grip worked against me, as my pinky fingers are quite short, and were contributing little to maintaining a grip, so shot-to-shot recovery was less consistent. Also, the wide-bodied Glock trigger always bothered me; I like a narrower trigger. The mushiness of the Glock trigger pull certainly did not help.

Just to be clear, I am not knocking Glocks; they just do not fit me well, and that wide trigger appeals to some.

My $0.02 on the XD: I am concerned about not being about to work the slide unless the grip safety is fully depressed. I can see that being a problem if one or both hands are incapacitated due to injury during a gunfight. The XD is a toy for pistol matches.
 
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As a confirmed 1911 guy, the only plastic that I will buy is the XD-45. Same ergos as the 1911. Easy to break down and clean too.
 
Rex G said:
...My $0.02 on the XD: I am concerned about not being about to work the slide unless the grip safety is fully depressed. I can see that being a problem if one or both hands are incapacitated due to injury during a gunfight. The XD is a toy for pistol matches.
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Is that right?

Then honestly, why are we even talking about them? :confused:

If shooting is your hobby, that's terrific.

But if it isn't just a sport, then the above is simply out of the question. Surely this "feature" (-:rolleyes:-) can be disabled, like magazine safeties?
 
For me, Glocks point very naturally (1911's don't fit me well). I love my 19!

I shoot two guns and two guns only... my Glock and my Ruger SP101 in 357mag. Some may disagree, but I don't WANT to shoot anything that I don't NEED to shoot... I don't care to shoot anything other than what I carry every day (the two above). I guess I still retain a "this is MY gun" mentality (I'd hate to pull out my CCW and have to think about which of my many guns I have in my hand...). I know what I'll pull... the glock or the ruger... and I know my muscle memory will know what I'm holding also (no need to think).
 
Glock porn: G26 with G19 barrel -

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If you own a Glock, why spend money for another gun? If you have trouble shooting it, it's you, not the gun. have a competent instructor watch you shoot and make corrections to your grip, tgrigger control, or whatever is causing the problem. Shooter technique errors happen so fast when shooting and are so subtle they are almost undetectable to the shooter, especially when they don't know what to look for. that's why we have instructors. "Practicing" by merely firing rounds only reinforces whatever you're doing wrong. You need to practice doing it right to improve.
Having said that, I am a Glock fan. I have carried them on duty and off since thay came out, after years of revolver carry. I love them. However, I have shot most makes of pistols, and many are good. The SIG is very good, and if you like it, get it. Whoever told you to avoid SIGs because they are too hard to clean is an idiot, avoid him. S&W, Beretta, CZ and others are also good. But you'll still need to get your technique corrected to shoot really well.Hope this helps.
 
EdD270 said:
If you own a Glock, why spend money for another gun? If you have trouble shooting it, it's you, not the gun. have a competent instructor watch you shoot and make corrections to your grip, tgrigger control, or whatever is causing the problem. Shooter technique errors happen so fast when shooting and are so subtle they are almost undetectable to the shooter, especially when they don't know what to look for. that's why we have instructors. "Practicing" by merely firing rounds only reinforces whatever you're doing wrong. You need to practice doing it right to improve.
Having said that, I am a Glock fan. I have carried them on duty and off since thay came out, after years of revolver carry. I love them. However, I have shot most makes of pistols, and many are good. The SIG is very good, and if you like it, get it. Whoever told you to avoid SIGs because they are too hard to clean is an idiot, avoid him. S&W, Beretta, CZ and others are also good. But you'll still need to get your technique corrected to shoot really well.Hope this helps.
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I strongly disagree with this, not every gun will fit every shooter. In many cases it is the gun design that causes problems not the shooter. I can shoot a Glock very well or I would wouldn't have won the GSSF Hoosier Regional Classic a few years back but when I do shoot a Glock it takes a conscious effort with every shot to align the sights. I do not have to do this with any other firearm I own. The Glock grip angle and hump do cause many shooters to have problems aligning the sights, this is obvious or there wouldn't be dozens of companies offering services to change or reduce the grip frames.

The Glocks are great guns, they're just not a great gun for everyone.
 
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