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I sent a private email that may be of some help or at least I hope it is... Aside from that and for anyone else who may read this just remember:

Common Sense, Awareness Of Self and Awareness Of Environment (Note this last one changes fluidly and rapidly every day and all day!) are three of the most lethal but largely ignored weapons that any of us may possess at any given time.

Best of luck in Practical Tactical Smiley... Way too hot a topic for mixed company. ;)

Shawn
 
Dave,
I own a REKAT Hobbit Warrior and its trainer model and have practiced techniques with trained individuals that I know. This I have done simply to expand my training and hell for an excuse to buy the knife. I will be testing for my black belt in taekwondo in a couple of months. I weight train. I run 20+ miles a week. Which of these do I know will come in handy if I should ever find myself in a threatening situation? If its just me, the running. If I believe I need to protect someone else, the martial arts training.

I would not recommend carrying a knife for self-defense(yes, EVEN as a last resort) unless you are comprehensively trained in the use of that knife. You never know who you may be up against, but if your attacker knows what he is doing, your knife will either be immediately disarmed or even used against you. period.

My advice. Take up practice of some martial art, or even have a friend of yours afluent in one to show you the basic kicks, punches, and blocks. Then practice on your own, confidence comes through practice. Try jogging for a mile or so a few times a week, this will build endurance and confidence in your ability to escape from a potentially hazardous situation. If you are genuinely concerned for your safety, whether it be walking or entering and exiting your car, purchase a can of peppar spray. They come in many different sizes and configurations. As a sidenote here, why aim to learn where to cut people? Your fist impacted in various areas of the body can paralyze, knock out, and cause unbelievable pain to an attacker, as well as kill.
 
Dave has a valid question that was simply made to sound foolish by CritICiZe.

Every person has an absolute obligation to themselves to stay alive through self-protection and self-preservation. The concept of using a knife/gun/ball-peen hammer or a crow-bar only becomes valid after that person has become extremely proficient in whatever he has chosen to use for self defense.

The reason I "scolded" the two kids in the beginning was because of the vision I saw of this young kid whipping out a Bali and going through a fancy and flshy ritual only to have it end with two well placed gunshots to the upper chest. Once a weapon of any kind is displayed, it's real world and everything that happens from that moment on is a FOREVER event.

If you are walking and approached by any person and you are certain that you face death or serious bodily injury and it is IMMINENT, if you have a knife you get it out as quick as possible and do what you must to stay alive. It ain't pretty, and unless you are an expert and know exactlty what to expect [like your hands coated with blood, tissue, body parts] chances are you will be at a surpreme disadvantage.

If you are extremely concerned about being able to defend yourself and really want to do it right, you MUST train. Six months will certainly not make you an expert, but will give you six months of knowledge you never had before. You cannot simply buy a cheap Bali and practice in your back yard for a week and then expect to be ready to win a fight for your life, and WINNING is the key.


Skinwalker, I just want these kids to realize that if they have a knife and think "flashing" it will cause fear and panic and get their potential assailant to flee, they do not live in reality. Crit is simply being childish with his advice to carry a Kris and stab someone in the leg. If you need to use a knife, you must be ready to KILL the person and thinking you can stab a person in the leg and end a life and death confrontation is silly and childish. If you must use your knife to defend your life, you must have established the mindset long ago that you will take a life to save your life. using a knife against another person ain't pretty, and flashing a knife with little or no training is FATAL.

My anger was really not directed at Dave, it was more focused on our new member the "green Beret". His advice to Dave will only get him KILLED.

Rant off....................Ira
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Smiley Tom, even though it seems like some of the guys here are "scolding" or not answering your question, its only because they care. Its disturbing in this time how many kids get killed by guns, knives, silly accidents....and its even more disturbing how many kids make bad mistakes and pay for it the rest of their lives. With that said I can tell you a short story. My brother was jumped by 3 men while he was with his girlfriend. They intended to beat them probably till death. All 3 men were local wrestlers in the city of savannah. Luckily my brother has been through military training and happend to have his Cold Steel Vaquero on him. He stabbed one man in the side with the 5' blade, and he emidiantly droped. The other two saw this and went directly for him. Strugling insued and eventully one got cut across the forarm. The two men fled as the cops arrived. All 3 men were caught, prosectued, and are now servering 3 years in prison....however the story doesn't end with that...the ONE stab my brother delt landed him in jail as well..and a court case insued. All in all my bro was cleared and went back on with life. So I am a firm believer in self defense with weapons. It might have saved my brothers life, and may one day save mine.
 
You are 16? If it is so dangerous for you to be out late, coming home from work get a ride. Don't you tell me you can't either. If there are groups of 2 or 3 18 or 19 year olds looking for trouble on a regular bases, the police need to be called. Two teenagers does NOT make for a knife attack defense. You will; be tried as an adult and depending on the outcome your life will be ruined. Unless they are armed and trying to actively kill you and I mean FOR REAL you are not in the weapon range. You already said it has happened to friends. Are they still alive? What if they had used a blade?

Once and for all. Pocket knives are a crappy weapon. They are very small. It will be knocked from your hand. Less than lethal is BS. If it is time to fight with a damn pocket knife, it is time to win. When you do, a big if, you may losr in court. Do you know what it is like to be labled as a violent felon? You don't want to find out.

Local Loner fights with knife. Kills High School Football team Captain, Injures defensive tackle.....Facing 30 years in prison where they really know how to use knives to get what they want and training don't mean s&#104it.


I will recommend pepperspray. All any good training will teach is not to rely on a knife. "Tactical folder" was invented to sell, not to fight with.

I understand and would like to be more help. I can only reply to what you have written. If you need more advice (i'll be nice) email me and I will be glad to chat with you. Good luck and learn evasion and escape.
 
Some people here need to realize that self defence training doesnt come cheap and not everybody can afford it or have time for it. If you can't defend yourself with a knife or any other weapon, then you better be ready to get hurt, because criminals always have a knife or a gun, and in my opinion you have a better chance against them when you too are armed, rather then empty handed. I would rather die trying to save myself, than die without even trying.
 
Smiley Dave, this thread began very rickety, but has improved a lot.

It should have been posted in Prac/Tac.

Larry S. had a great link to an article on mindset by Steve Tarani. Read it. Several times. Even if you forgo knives, it is survival material.

Keep in mind although you have asked for info to help you out just in the next several months, the possibility of violence will never go away. Begin learning now and keep it up.

Here is my take on what should be your priorities:

Awareness: of oneself, potential threats, and your environment

-read all you can about self-defense and violence
-read the news about attacks and think about what you could have done differently (also go over what happened to your friends)
-look up and learn Jeff Cooper's "Color Code" and how to become more aware of your surroundings (if you can see it coming soon enough, your options grow)
-always see others before they spot you (make it a game with your friends)

Mindset: you must want to avoid conflict if possible, and if not, then defuse the situation if possible. If not, then prepare to deal with physical violence. If you fight, you must be prepared mentally to cause physical damage to your attacker.

Training and tactics: awareness (yes, keep training this!), "tactical correctness", de-escalation skills, less-than-lethal (or control) skills, fighting skills

-keep training awareness and mindset (this can't be emphasized too much)
-"tactical correctness" means move so you will be less likely to be surprised by an attacker(s). Walk against traffic, swing wide around corners, keep your back to a wall, etc.
-try to stay calm and appear nonviolent when provoked; this may discourage assault, or at least appear to bystanders that you did not encourage a fight, which can help you legally after the fact
-control skills are for situations in which you think you can handle someone without hurting them, and the chances of them hurting you are very low (wristlocks, armbars, pressure points, etc.). This is mainly reserved for friends, family members, or when you are helping someone else subdue a "problem person."
-fighting skills should emphasize damaging your attacker quickly and getting away

Weapons and other tools: flashlights, cell phones, less-than-lethal weapons, deadly weapons

-a flashlight is probably the best tool for an untrained person. It provides light for searching dark areas and can be put to use as an improvised impact weapon. Avoid the larger "club-like" lights until you have training.

-cell phones take time to use, cost more, but have their utility in emergency commo or just calling for a ride (prevention). Always know where you are so you can tell the dispatcher, as 9-1-1 won't know your location.

-stun guns are practically useless. Avoid them. (Yes, I've been shocked many times.)

-O.C. sprays do not always work as advertised. They still require training, preferably with you getting sprayed so you know you can still work throught the effects and fight or escape. (I've been sprayed many times.) Against someone who really wants to hurt you, O.C. MAY serve as a good distraction, if you use it well and have a good quality spray (Punch II, Fox, Bodyguard). In general, stay away from the little keychain units and carry at least a 2 oz. fogger unit.

-Take some full contact martial arts if possible. Judo, wrestling, boxing, JKD would be good. A good self-defense class which emphasizes striking skills and has a padded attacker exercise would be best, provided it is done right. Why "full contact?" Because you learn to get knocked around and go at it hard. ALMOST like in a real fight.

Train the way you wish to react under stress! As for knives as weapons, they can be very good, but you should do some homework first. Hock Hochheim, Michael Janich, Stever Tarani, James Keating, Kelly Worden are all acknowledged knife folks. Read them, but be aware they won't all agree. Study and come to your own conclusions--which will change every so often as you learn more and more.

One thing--when you pull out a knife, it will be judged as "lethal force." If you were not justified in using lethal force, you will get in BIG trouble. Also, there are very few "less lethal" cuts you could make under the stress of a violent assault. Don't count on "only" cutting someone's leg or arm--they could still die or be seriously hurt. Knife = lethal force. Simple as that, at least for your purposes. Even using a closed folder as an impact weapon will probably be judged as having accessed a lethal weapon.

In the meantime, a 2-C cell Maglight makes a very good low-key impact weapon which doesn't cost a lot and is less likely to get you in trouble. A Mini-Mag is smaller, if you prefer. Niether is "clublike" and less likely to be taken away from you. Also check out James Keating's "Stinger" and Kelly Worden's "Impact Kerambit." Check local laws before carrying them.


Some reading to start you out:

-Strong on Defense, by Sanford Strong

-The Truth About Self-Protection, by Massad Ayoob

-In the Gravest Extreme, by Ayoob

-The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker

-Principles of Personal Defense, by Jeff Cooper



Also feel free to visit www.selfdefenseforums.com Lurk a lot before you post there, as they can be, ummm, "picky." :)

Don Rearic's site is very good: www.drearic.com (pocket stick and improvised weapons techs are great here)

And Marc "Animal" MacYoung has probably the most comprehensive S-D site on the web. www.nononsenseselfdefense.com Read it all.

Now go do your homework! Any other questions, feel free to email me as well. (No, I don't have all the answers.)

Karl
 
This thread is closed. If you want to continue debating, try the sister thread in Practical tactical.
Dave
 
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