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Good idea or Bad ???
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Rick-
Bite me
- Seriously, you are right. That's part of what I do and how I work. I will look at a photo or my EDC or whatever and then make another, but I won't draw it, scribe it, or anything. That's part of me, not something necessarily better or worse than other methods.
Ray is--- an artistic machine. I know that with hand tools and hand operated machine tools that even machining can be an art-- and that's where I think Ray is at. "Mass produced" and "perfectly matched sets" aren't actually synonymous. People often use terms like "machinelike precision" with Ray, but he's more precise than most machines I've met.
And this is where I feel like BT is backing people into corners not in their own territory. The arguments get rephrased with comparisons to tires, or old hickory replicas- and thus the argument gets redefined on other terms.
I don't MAKE an old hickory replica. The comparison, thus, is invalid to begin with. Period.
The gist of what I get is that, for some, there is no value in anything beyond the basic, "80%", functionality of a tool- especially if the tool is a knife. Do you apply that to your car or your camera?
You mentioned tube amps. Great Example!- Comparing a hand made, tuned, or hand restored, tube amp to a mass produced tire. That's exactly it. You can't see the extra value, though every musician I know in Davis can see the extra value in a case like this. I am not aware of any tires that have similar amounts of effort and care involved. So I can't see how the two types of "manufacturing" can be compared.
Which is fine, I can't tell much difference between one amp and another, though I've helped smooth some amps out and gentle the warming cycles and stuff (having experience with tubes from ham gear.) But I can appreciate and respect someone else's attention, experience, and value placement.
I get the impression you want others to follow your "should be". That's the only thing that really bugs me.
As far as the original post goes. I think the idea has some merit in some ways. I might suggest actually de-monetizing the specific threads. Say, follow this idea:
Poster posts "general knife type" "general price range"
Makers can then respond to whatever ones they want with a "what I'd do is this, PM me if you like" --- without mentioning a specific locked down price.
Bite me
- Seriously, you are right. That's part of what I do and how I work. I will look at a photo or my EDC or whatever and then make another, but I won't draw it, scribe it, or anything. That's part of me, not something necessarily better or worse than other methods.Ray is--- an artistic machine. I know that with hand tools and hand operated machine tools that even machining can be an art-- and that's where I think Ray is at. "Mass produced" and "perfectly matched sets" aren't actually synonymous. People often use terms like "machinelike precision" with Ray, but he's more precise than most machines I've met.
And this is where I feel like BT is backing people into corners not in their own territory. The arguments get rephrased with comparisons to tires, or old hickory replicas- and thus the argument gets redefined on other terms.
I don't MAKE an old hickory replica. The comparison, thus, is invalid to begin with. Period.
The gist of what I get is that, for some, there is no value in anything beyond the basic, "80%", functionality of a tool- especially if the tool is a knife. Do you apply that to your car or your camera?
You mentioned tube amps. Great Example!- Comparing a hand made, tuned, or hand restored, tube amp to a mass produced tire. That's exactly it. You can't see the extra value, though every musician I know in Davis can see the extra value in a case like this. I am not aware of any tires that have similar amounts of effort and care involved. So I can't see how the two types of "manufacturing" can be compared.
Which is fine, I can't tell much difference between one amp and another, though I've helped smooth some amps out and gentle the warming cycles and stuff (having experience with tubes from ham gear.) But I can appreciate and respect someone else's attention, experience, and value placement.
I get the impression you want others to follow your "should be". That's the only thing that really bugs me.
As far as the original post goes. I think the idea has some merit in some ways. I might suggest actually de-monetizing the specific threads. Say, follow this idea:
Poster posts "general knife type" "general price range"
Makers can then respond to whatever ones they want with a "what I'd do is this, PM me if you like" --- without mentioning a specific locked down price.
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I was thinking about this thread and it seems similar to stuff I've been doing recently. I'm an architecture student working on my Part 2, as such I work in an office and do spend some time on competition entries. I get given a brief including project build costs, requirements etc and then I crack on and design in the short period of time i'm allowed.
It's a good design exercise and a good way of getting your work known. Sure most times the bigger established companies win. Also sometimes nobody wins and your design appears 3 years later with a little change here or there and you get no credit but that's the world we live in.
The hard part is balancing the time you put in to win the commission against real work. There is a history of this type of thing in architecture so maybe i'm used to it. Anyway thought a look from a different trade/profession might add some insight to this.
It's a good design exercise and a good way of getting your work known. Sure most times the bigger established companies win. Also sometimes nobody wins and your design appears 3 years later with a little change here or there and you get no credit but that's the world we live in.
The hard part is balancing the time you put in to win the commission against real work. There is a history of this type of thing in architecture so maybe i'm used to it. Anyway thought a look from a different trade/profession might add some insight to this.