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gota pencil sharpener?

Marion,

No disrespect intended. To anyone.

Kevin's first post didn't seem, to me, to express his opinion in a 'pleasant way'. I still say, I've seen people asked to stand down for less. You basically said the same thing but in a much more objective manner and more openminded. I stand by what I said, no disrespect intended.
 
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I am just mystified that no one has anything better to do than argue why or why not a 1" piece of 2 gram plastic is worth carrying...be it smartly or not.

I need to make a survival pencil sharpener motivator poster...

I am mystified that someone who found the thread useless would post in it anyway. If you haven't noticed, this is how most gear threads go. Someone posts up a new piece of gear or something and someone else says they don't think it's a good idea, then the rest of the posters choose their respective bandwagons.

Couldn't agree more Don. Well said. I really don't have any more to add but quite honestly neither did Kevin with his first post. I've seen lots of times where mods tell someone 'If you don't have anything useful to add, butt out.' Maybe this thread shouldn't have gotten this far but it doesn't seem helpful to just come on and bash it in a negative way. Like has been said lots of times, if you don't want to carry one, don't. If you do, carry.

Kevin asked what other uses it had had and indicated that the lack of versatility led him to not put one in his kit. On that note, I can agree. However, I am obsessive when I write notes in the field, so I already have a pencil sharpener ready and have have found it moderately useful as a piece of kit. However, I wouldn't carry one just to carry it.
 
I'm far from a survival expert but I do spend a hell of a lot of time outdoors trying the stuff that gets bought up on this and other forums ( Much the same as Bushy does).What I would like to say is actually get out there on a really cold day and try making some fine tinder using both your knife and a pencil sharpener and then report back rather than just debating it sat at the computer !
I have really struggled in cold weather making fine tinder as my dexterity was severly affected, not only can this be hard with a knife but it can also be dangerous.If ya have an easy safer option then why not use it ?
Here are two pics I took last week( and I didn't shape that piece with a knife it was a bit I broke off with my hands)......

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It caught light second strike.....

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i went out and bought one...

if you pre-cut fatwood sliver(s) youre all set....so the sizing issue is out the door.

now how can we attach a firesteel and scraper??? :)
 
I don't carry fatwood as I find that there is already plenty of stuff out there to burn that I don't have to carry, so carrying a pencil sharpener wouldn't be for me. I saw the same idea come up at the old Les Stroud forums a few years ago, I thought it was neat, albeit dinky.

For emergency fires I carry paper towels/cotton balls drenched in tung-oil, PJCBs work well too.
 
I think survival kits should stop with the ten essentails and go to the eleven essentials, adding the pencil sharpener. I think Oetzi even had one with him. Can I get one in Blacktical? Camo? One to wear around me neck? A wallet size? C'mon keyboard kommandoes--help a gearhead out
 
Now this here should be owned by everyone ... the "belt lighter"

Holds your pants up , makes fire and can be used to strop. :D

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I would probably set my genitals on fire with that contraption. Pass. I'll stick with my grappling hook and pencil sharpener, they're safe and sane.
 
I am mystified that someone who found the thread useless would post in it anyway. If you haven't noticed, this is how most gear threads go. Someone posts up a new piece of gear or something and someone else says they don't think it's a good idea, then the rest of the posters choose their respective bandwagons.

I am going to fill you in on a little secret. It was a joke. Maybe you missed the part about the motivational poster.

In lieu of not getting the comical point across to you, I will now add a bunch of smilies. You can then take some of them and mentally superimpose them on the post of mine that you took exception to. That should make you feel much better. I leave it up to you to divide as many as you see fit.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
I'm far from a survival expert but I do spend a hell of a lot of time outdoors trying the stuff that gets bought up on this and other forums...

What is a "survival expert," anyway? I have been on forums for a long, long time. I have seen the experts come and go. I have seen absolute, horrific, bullshit posted by "experts" for years. The "folding knife lock experts," the "steel experts," the "knife fighting experts," the "survival experts," the this, that and the other "experts." Oh, the "knife testing experts." There's a hoot for ya, too.

A computer costs a few hundred bucks. Software, a few hundred more. A website about $150.00 for a half decent one. A hockey mask and a digital camera and an area where you can beat on stuff and take pictures of it doesn't make someone a "knife testing expert."

Also, for years, people have entered threads and in an attempt to take a wack at me, refer to me as a, "self-proclaimed expert" in whatever I was talking about! WTF? I have never done that, referred to myself as an "expert" which, to me, simply means you have nothing left to learn. That is my opinion and I hope it doesn't offend anyone, especially the ones who really get off on being an "expert." Because they are out in the world as well. People are just dying inside to be an expert at something.

When people see me posting on some surgeon's forum about performing appendectomies, they can finally and truly claim I have went over the edge. When I post about something I don't know about, I am usually asking a question. Right in here, I have not created a troll account to ask questions about stuff I didn't know about. I have always used my real name and let the chips fall where they may.

YOU, Pitdog, always post interesting stuff. You are operating on an expert level when it comes to this stuff. A lot of us are operating on that level but to be a "survival expert," one would first have to ascertain what sub-genre we're talking about.

There have been times in my life where the only thing I could do to test something was put it in a BBQ grill in the backyard because I couldn't get away to someplace much nicer. A rainstorm in the backyard is still a rainstorm. Three feet of snow is three feet of snow. Wind is wind.

Other times, I get to sit by a nice fire for hours and drink my coffee, listen to the woods and go crawl in a tent. Great times!

The one thing I am is a campfire maniac, I mean that in a good way. Some people, that means they grab the lighter fluid and go to the burn center, I'm not talking about that. :D

I have really struggled in cold weather making fine tinder as my dexterity was severly affected, not only can this be hard with a knife but it can also be dangerous.If ya have an easy safer option then why not use it ?
Here are two pics I took last week( and I didn't shape that piece with a knife it was a bit I broke off with my hands)...

That's intelligent. Common sense isn't very common.

Sometimes, people interested in survival seem to be in a race to see how much stuff they can get rid of. There is something to be said for not carrying around the kitchen sink in a backpack but, like many extremes, it's generally a bad idea to go about life that way. The guy paring away stuff until he has "X number of esentials" is probably handicapping himself as much as the guy that cannot move for all of the stuff he has weighing him down.

That's not a crack at Kevin, that's a crack at all of the minimalist philosophy going on in "survival" and other areas of interest as well.
 
Sometimes, people interested in survival seem to be in a race to see how much stuff they can get rid of. There is something to be said for not carrying around the kitchen sink in a backpack but, like many extremes, it's generally a bad idea to go about life that way. The guy paring away stuff until he has "X number of esentials" is probably handicapping himself as much as the guy that cannot move for all of the stuff he has weighing him down.

That's not a crack at Kevin, that's a crack at all of the minimalist philosophy going on in "survival" and other areas of interest as well.

Well Called Don, Well Called. That is Wisdom.

Marion
 
Sometimes, people interested in survival seem to be in a race to see how much stuff they can get rid of. There is something to be said for not carrying around the kitchen sink in a backpack but, like many extremes, it's generally a bad idea to go about life that way. The guy paring away stuff until he has "X number of esentials" is probably handicapping himself as much as the guy that cannot move for all of the stuff he has weighing him down.

My exact point when I said "If you can pack it and carry it, take it.":thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
After reading all four pages of this very important topic, I think I can conclude with absolute certainty that...







I spend WAY to much time on bladeforums. : )
 
In addition to being overpriced, coming in a black pouch, and having molle & velcro, it MUST be a scandi grind. Only then would I find it acceptable.;)

DancesWithKnives

scandi grind- classic :D

I think it was great out of the box idea personally, several of the ones I've seen have a removable blade (usually via a phillips head)- I'd think they would be rather sharp and in a pinch could used for light cutting duties
 
I agree with Don - there is no such thing as experts, at least in my mind, there is just 'more experienced' and 'less experienced'.

Some people get off on being (usually self-proclaimed) 'experts'. That usually just means their 'cup is full'.

Doc
 
All the above is true. To me, knowledge is the best thing to have. Seeing how little you can take along is always good since chances are you won't have of stuff on you when the SHTF. Good to know you can make do with little if anything. Though as far as camping goes, like it was stated above, if you can pack it, take it. I may not need this or that thing, but it'll be great to have.
 
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