Gotta protect your dog

Stand Straight

Stand Straight

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I received my Manix2 XL, CPM-S90V today in the mail. Wow! What a gorgeous and impressive hunk of knife.

Right from the get go I proclaim that I am not qualified to give a review, and I won’t. I’m sure there will be plenty of comprehensive reviews coming in the near future, but I can give my opinion of what I think.

This knife will be my new protectorer. In my morning dog walks I have been carrying either my Endura 4 or PM2. There are coyotes in my neighborhood embolden because construction expansion has forced much of the wild life to forage in people populated areas and from time to time pets have vanished leaving behind only a little fur. So I like a bigger sticker just in case a coyote or big unleashed dog tries to make hors d'oeuvres outta my 10 lb. dog. Don’t mess with da mutt.

I ordered a collector knife and then after reading some of the posts about not wanting to defile the blade with extra inscription, I was nervous that I wasn’t going to like it either. But imo it’s not a detractor at all. To me it’s a small deal…literally speaking too.

Right outta the box sharp. Pinged the hairs right off my arm. Still I was compulsed to strop it. I really enjoy the therapeutic value of getting a blade insanely sharp.
Don’t know about the blade steel but I know this s90v will be examined, tested and tortured with us less scientific people left to reap the rewards of their toil of love.
What a comfortable grip. This is the Tempur-Pedic of ergos. Whatever that means, it’s good.
Sticks outta the pocket in excess of an inch, so I may consider a low-rider clip eventually.

I don’t understand the mechanics of the ball-bearing lock. Just looking at it with the spring as the primary force to engage the lockup, seems vulnerable to failure. Then on the other hand I can’t imagine a spring fatiguing with such short compression strokes unless the cycle was in the thousands. I’m not an engineer so I’m dependent on you MIT types to clue me in.

See. I told you I was in no way qualified to give a review. Only my opinion. I really, really like this knife. Almost didn’t pull the trigger. Glad I did.
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You might want to carry a stick or baton as well. With a stick you can keep some distance and stop a charge.
 
Pepper spray would be way more effective as a deterrent for a dog or coyote than a knife. Get some bear spray from a local outdoor shop. Knife would be a last resort, because it puts you into harms way, let's the attacking animal get close to you and your dog and honestly can be difficult to use effectively. Bear spray on the other hand will blind an animal, cause immense pain and cause it to flee instinctively. If it's good enough for Grizzlies, it's good enough for Coyotes and dogs.
 
After my wife was attacked and bitten by a dog I started carrying a 3' stick & pepper spray while walking our dog. I was advised by animal control that a stick works best. I have used pepper spray to keep a crazy dog at a distance. The dog named "Bear" was familiar with the stuff and knew to stay just out of range. He harassed the mailman in the neighborhood.
Coyotes can be pretty big and nasty. I would consider a long stick made out of a strong and hard wood. I carved my walking stick out of Argentine lignum vitae, an ironwood. I had a small knife in my pocket, but you never really want to get to that point. Remember that a big pocket knife is the size of a paring knife. It is better than nothing, but it surely is not a gladius.
 
brownshoe said:
You might want to carry a stick or baton as well. With a stick you can keep some distance and stop a charge.
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I'm not being smart and I'm not being a ninja, but honestly if I knew a dog were actually going to attack then I would prefer a 4" knife to a stick. If you get a bad dog that really wants to have at it then you are not going to keep him at bay with a stick. It's just not gonna happen. You ever see that video of the dog catchers trying to hold off the pit bull with a six foot metal rod designed specifically for that purpose? It was almost comical how useless it was. Hes going to be on you in half a second and once he's on you that stick is going to be worthless. You will take more damage with the knife but the outcome will go your way. I am not a proponent of using knives for self defense. Were we talking about another human, I would say the stick, all day long. But in this particular situation I believe a knife would be the better tool of the two.

Pepper spray or a twelve gauge would be better than either. ;)

P.S. Beautiful knife btw! I bought a manix LW earlier this year that I ended up giving away. I have a feeling I would have like the xl much better.
 
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I say a stick to keep it away, and a knife in your pocket (any knife, you know you will have one on you) if he gets you down. Most dogs will stay away if you are swinging a stick at them, esp. if you connect on a solid strike. I rough house with my dog quite a bit and have learned her tendencies of attacking. I am confident that if a dog attacked me in a similar manner that she play attacks, I could come out fairly unscathed with nothing but my hands. I think knowing how most dogs attack and being prepared for it is real important. Now getting an attacking dog off your dog or loved one, a heavy stick or knife would be in store. Kicking or punching most attacking dogs won't do much good. I also would not whip out a knife if someone confronted me (again I would if someone had me on the ground choking me out or a similar dire situation), but I am always prepared to pull my knife out when walking my dog should she be attacked. Pay attention and most times you can see a possible confrontation between dogs before it happens, hackles up, you can feel your dog growling through the lead even if you cannot hear it, slumped down, and other signs.
 
Years ago my neighbor’s small dog was attacked outside my house by 2 big dogs...a German Shepherd and something a little larger. I ran into the garage and grabbed the first thing I saw, my son’s whimpy plastic hockey stick and tried to defend the small dog. The 2 dogs were so intent on tearing up the little one that they ignored me and my slaps. I didn’t have a knife back then and if they turned their attention on me, I would have been road kill, probably the knife wouldn’t have mattered. Btw, the neighbor’s dog died later of the injuries even though I eventually persuaded the killers to leave.
Thinking that the 12 gauge just may be a little over the top. Can be shot for a simple squirt gun's mistaken identity. Like the bear spray. Like elephant spray better...I'll do a google search ;).
 
Stand Straight said:
Years ago my neighbor’s small dog was attacked outside my house by 2 big dogs...a German Shepherd and something a little larger. I ran into the garage and grabbed the first thing I saw, my son’s whimpy plastic hockey stick and tried to defend the small dog. The 2 dogs were so intent on tearing up the little one that they ignored me and my slaps. I didn’t have a knife back then and if they turned their attention on me, I would have been road kill, probably the knife wouldn’t have mattered. Btw, the neighbor’s dog died later of the injuries even though I eventually persuaded the killers to leave.
Thinking that the 12 gauge just may be a little over the top. Can be shot for a simple squirt gun's mistaken identity. Like the bear spray. Like elephant spray better...I'll do a google search ;).
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I carried this stuff while hiking in Yellowstone http://www.udap.com/ Didn't have to use it, but had good reviews and I saw a lot of the Rangers carrying it. Fits on a belt easily.
 
You could stab a coyote 20 times and it wouldn't stop attacking until it's unable to, or dead. Animals aren't like humans where they have the shock factor of getting hurt.
 
I carry Pepperspray to protect my kids from charging unleashed dogs (not the dogs fault and maybe they really just want to play?)
Had to use it only once. Works well enough.
When my daughter was 2 I picked her up very fast and yelled at the dog and kicked in its general direction. It ran away. During that time I got the spray out, when it came back I sprayed it.
The owner wasnt to happy (even if he didn't get any of the spray) and threatened to call the cops. I dared him to. Having an unleashed dog on a playground and being too far away (30+ yards) from it to control it... Cops would have been happy to help him.:D
No way to get down in the dirt with a knife and a kid. Even without the kid dogs are way faster and instinctively know how to take on other mammals. I'm doing martial arts since I was six and wouldnt count on being able to wrestle a Rotweiler or be able to hit it with a stick.
 
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jalcon said:
You could stab a coyote 20 times and it wouldn't stop attacking until it's unable to, or dead. Animals aren't like humans where they have the shock factor of getting hurt.
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You don't want to shock him, you want to kill him. A 4" blade is perfectly capable of that. Most coyotes don't go more than about 30 pounds. Once u get past all the hair there isn't that much to em.

Annyyyywho...I'm going to bow out of this one.

Nice knife op. Get some bear spray and stay safe. :)
 
I used to live in Illinois. Coyotes there go 60-70 pounds. My stick was carved like a Philipine garotte, with the edges tapered like the wooden fighting sword of the Pacific. A 3' Lignum Vitae fighting stick would be my first line of defense against something like a big dog or coyote. I don't currently have a dog to walk, so coyote attacks are not a worry. Check out Kris cutlery for information about wooden training swords.
 
Surfingringo said:
Good point. How about you skip the sticks and knives and just get a bigger dog?! :D
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Lol. Four points: she doesn't eat much; small shovel takes care of the...well you know; she doesn't walk me, I walk her; and my son gave her to me at 10 weeks old. A little over a year ago.
Promise...I keep her away from rat traps.
Over and out.
 
arty said:
I used to live in Illinois. Coyotes there go 60-70 pounds. My stick was carved like a Philipine garotte, with the edges tapered like the wooden fighting sword of the Pacific. A 3' Lignum Vitae fighting stick would be my first line of defense against something like a big dog or coyote. I don't currently have a dog to walk, so coyote attacks are not a worry. Check out Kris cutlery for information about wooden training swords.
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Sorry, but coyotes in Illinois are not 60-70 pounds. A big coyote in the midwest is 45lbs, and most are closer to 30lbs. Lots of fur make them look bigger than they are. The record coyote measured is 74.75 lbs. Not that it really matters, I would not let my dog (~50 lbs) mess with one coyote let alone a pack.
 
You bought a Manix2 XL to protect your 10lb dog? SMH .. whatever dude ... That's the excuse you told you wife.

The only way a knife would be effective during a dog attack is if it already has your 10lber in it's mouth while you're holding it or it has your arm/leg/belly in it's mouth.

You'd be better off duct-taping that blade to 3' stick ..
 
bonafide said:
You bought a Manix2 XL to protect your 10lb dog? SMH .. whatever dude ... That's the excuse you told you wife.

The only way a knife would be effective during a dog attack is if it already has your 10lber in it's mouth while you're holding it or it has your arm/leg/belly in it's mouth.

You'd be better off duct-taping that blade to 3' stick ..
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Best idea yet!
 
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