Gotta protect your dog

Surfingringo said:
It all depends. A stick/club is a better weapon...until the dog gets ON YOU. Then the stick is worthless and a knife would be much more effective. This video illustrates both of those ideas. The idea that you can keep a determined canine at bay with a stick is not very realistic. You get one shot...and if you miss, you are defenseless. Meh, everyone is going to believe what they will.

Like I said in my first post they are both very poor options. Spray or firearm would be much better than either.
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You came to this opinion based on your youtube video experience or do you have actual practical experience in dealing with dogs attacking a human? The OP brought to question how to protect his 10 lb dog while on his nature walks. You are turning this into a scenario of 70-80lb warped pitbull attacking a human. The two are only thinly related.

BTW - your video showed a contradiction to your opinion .. even after dog bit the ridiculous control officer, a stick stopped the attack.
 
bonafide said:
You came to this opinion based on your youtube video experience or do you have actual practical experience in dealing with dogs attacking a human? The OP brought to question how to protect his 10 lb dog while on his nature walks. You are turning this into a scenario of 70-80lb warped pitbull attacking a human. The two are only thinly related.

BTW - your video showed a contradiction to your opinion .. even after dog bit the ridiculous control officer, a stick stopped the attack.
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Easy with the attitude there kid. You don't know me.

Moving on though, you have one valid point. The op wants to protect Fluffy, not himself. On the rare chance that he's confronted by a coyote, either it will attack Fluffy, or fluffy will go crazy and attack it. In either scenario, an axe handle would serve him better than a knife.

I came from a position of him protecting himself were the dog fully intent on doing HIM mortal harm. I stand by my assertion that a motivated canine could quickly render a long stick useless in that scenario but that is largely irrelevant to the ops reality. So yeah, for fluffy protection, I'd probably go with a club like everyone else.

And btw, the video illustrated my points perfectly.

1. A stick is a more effective weapon. (Notice how well he was able to swing it without a dog glued to his face?)
2. Once a dog passes your guard, the stick is worthless.

Last point. I've had a 60 pound pit bull. She was beast. Twice the size of that little thing in the video.

Take care
 
brownshoe said:
You might want to carry a stick or baton as well. With a stick you can keep some distance and stop a charge.
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I was on the edge of town at an old overgrown fair site. A big dog comes running at me bellowing. I held it back with my metal detector, until the female owner sees what is happening and yells her dog down. This has happened twice now in this area with different owners.....Yes it does happen.... Nice knife S.S. but a collapsible steel baton would likely work better.
 
I protect the my dog with this when I see people like you protecting dogs with Manix2 XL :D. So let's just get reasonable here...
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arty said:
I used to live in Illinois. Coyotes there go 60-70 pounds.
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I still live here. It is exceedingly rare for them to get over 50 lbs. Anywhere.

In order of preference. Spray, Stick, Knife. Range is king.
 
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SENGVIN said:
I protect the my dog with this when I see people like you protecting dogs with Manix2 XL :D. So let's just get reasonable here...
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:eek: Eeyow!! Now that's the great equalizer without gunpowder. Nordic sword for the vertically challenged. Can't have the tip sticking in the ground.
 
This summer I stopped a charging Doberman in full stride with a stream of pepper spray. Short of a well-placed bullet, or the owner doing it's legal duty and restraining the animal, I doubt a stick or knife would have been as effective as the spray. I know that each encounter has it's own set of variables, so rather than extrapolate and generalize I'll just say the incident definately un-nerved me, and I think myself fortunate to not have been harmed.
 
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Riding a bike I've had many dogs charge me and I blasted them right in their open mouth with 10% bear spray. They all left faster than they came. You just have to wait until they are fairly close and my favorite tactic is to let them come up behind me, barking and hold the spray in my right hand blasting them at about 6 feet. They never show any fight after that and most learn to leave me alone.
 
My little pooch is only 7 pounds. Two months ago a large pit bull tried to swoop past me from behind and scoop her up.

I managed to deflect him with my leg, then pick my pooch up just before he attacked me. I managed to scare him off somehow, but will never face him empty handed again.

Right hand: pepper spray, 18 foot stream.
Left hand: 18 inch zap stick, 2 million volts. Heavy as a four cell flashlight. Long enough to tickle the tongue or balls, depending which end it's on.
On belt: Spyderco Military. If it comes to using it, I'm gonna get bit. But he's gonna die.

In about two weeks, I'll have to rearrange things to fit my Ruger SR40. Sixteen 180 grain hollow points.

Shucks, I know I'm under armed. I need to figure out how to fit my AR-15 under my T-Shirt.

All kidding aside, I was a lot more scared than I let that dog see. He was one mean mother. :eek:
 
Many great comments – thanks for the input.

Pepper spray makes sense as first line of defense. The collapsible baton might work in certain scenarios and I think is fairly concealable and light. Pared with the pepper spray could be effective. Going to look at the “zap stick.” Is that a legal carry?

I rule out the sticks and axe handle-like weapons…too cumbersome for my likes. And if you don’t make good contact with your first swing you may not get a second.

And as much as I’d like to carry my 9mm, I’d much more like to stay outta jail.
The knife for sure is the necessary “get down and dirty” backup. I like that Nordic Bowie knife but I’d have to be King Kong to swing that monster.

The coyotes aren’t really a concern to me because they are mainly nocturnal hunters prowling from dusk to dawn and for the most part attack the indefensible. It’s the guard dog types that break from their containments that would be my main concern since I’ve dealt with that many years ago.

Did I mention?…I really like my new Manix2 XL S90V.
 
jill jackson said:
Riding a bike I've had many dogs charge me and I blasted them right in their open mouth with 10% bear spray. They all left faster than they came. You just have to wait until they are fairly close and my favorite tactic is to let them come up behind me, barking and hold the spray in my right hand blasting them at about 6 feet. They never show any fight after that and most learn to leave me alone.
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+1

I've done exactly the same thing. Pepper spray works great.

-remnar
 
Surfingringo said:
Easy with the attitude there kid. You don't know me.

Moving on though, you have one valid point. The op wants to protect Fluffy, not himself. On the rare chance that he's confronted by a coyote, either it will attack Fluffy, or fluffy will go crazy and attack it. In either scenario, an axe handle would serve him better than a knife.

I came from a position of him protecting himself were the dog fully intent on doing HIM mortal harm. I stand by my assertion that a motivated canine could quickly render a long stick useless in that scenario but that is largely irrelevant to the ops reality. So yeah, for fluffy protection, I'd probably go with a club like everyone else.

And btw, the video illustrated my points perfectly.

1. A stick is a more effective weapon. (Notice how well he was able to swing it without a dog glued to his face?)
2. Once a dog passes your guard, the stick is worthless.

Last point. I've had a 60 pound pit bull. She was beast. Twice the size of that little thing in the video.

Take care
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I'm not a kid, so you can lose the condescending posturing for getting called out.

Your comments, video, and repeated points show you dont know dick about canines or how to defend from an attack by one.

I've been training police k9s for 20 yrs. You sir, show nothing but absolute opinionated ignorance on the topic.
 
jill jackson said:
Riding a bike I've had many dogs charge me and I blasted them right in their open mouth with 10% bear spray. They all left faster than they came. You just have to wait until they are fairly close and my favorite tactic is to let them come up behind me, barking and hold the spray in my right hand blasting them at about 6 feet. They never show any fight after that and most learn to leave me alone.
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Great feedback. Thanks, Jill. :thumbup:
 
A stun baton was mentioned, I was wondering about tasers in general. Pepper spray still seems superior, if you catch them before they get too close. Some breeds of dogs are completely silent on their approach, they don't bark, growl, or give you any sign of approach and will come full speed. From my experience, a common approach by dogs is to wait until they are behind you and then attack. I had a Rot only advance on me so long as my back was turned, if I faced him he stood still. Luckily for my wife and I the owner was in his garage and called the dog when I yelled to him. He came silently, and I just barely caught him out of the corner of my eye. He could have been on us (her most likely) before we knew what happened. At that point, I am not so sure pepper spray would be wise. At that point several short jabs with a knife to the body would get his attention. You have to keep in mind that dogs still do fear men. Pay attention, and you will notice that there are rarely instances of dogs attacking a grown (not elderly) man. Most dog attacks are on young children and older women, and many attacks are carried out by more than one dog running free. Police dogs are an exception as they are trained to attack no matter what on their handlers command.
 
Nice score on that S90v Manix, been thinking about revisiting the Manix XL or Manix2 again.

My dog carries 2 sticks for when she needs to bust some ass with her arnis skills, and she's also proficient with a karambit and keeps one clipped to her collar.
 
gooeytek said:
Nice score on that S90v Manix, been thinking about revisiting the Manix XL or Manix2 again.

My dog carries 2 sticks for when she needs to bust some ass with her arnis skills, and she's also proficient with a karambit and keeps one clipped to her collar.
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Pictures required.
 
gooeytek said:
My dog carries 2 sticks for when she needs to bust some ass with her arnis skills, and she's also proficient with a karambit and keeps one clipped to her collar.
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My boxer carried a mouthful of karambits. But he was more inclined to box than to bite. :)
 
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