Grayman Dua folder!!!! Wow

Any other Grayman owners out there??? Particularly interested in hearing about how there fixed blades are!? I already know their folders are built like freaking tanks!!
 
I have a 7.5" Mega Pounder, a 7.5" Warrior, a 7.5" Sub-Saharan, a Grax (a small axe), and a Satu. I have used all and they work perfectly for their intended purposes. They are not pretty, but that is the point. If you want pretty, then there are many other makers out there that can do that. If you want a tool that will not break and that is easy to keep sharp, then you can't go wrong with a Grayman. By the way, the edges look like crap because a fine grit paper is not used to sharpen the knives. I have noticed that his edges stay sharp a little longer than the edges of some of my knives of the same steel from different makers.

By the way, on a recent deployment, I took my Mega Pounder. I had guys with other manufacturer's knives, like Gerber, Busse, and some others, who were willing to trade for my $200 ugly looking knife. I used it like a prybar everyday and beat the hell out of it. A couple of passes on a sharpening stone made it perfect again. No chips or a bent blade, nuff said.

Sean
 
FEDKNIFELOVER said:
I have a 7.5" Mega Pounder, a 7.5" Warrior, a 7.5" Sub-Saharan, a Grax (a small axe), and a Satu. I have used all and they work perfectly for their intended purposes. They are not pretty, but that is the point. If you want pretty, then there are many other makers out there that can do that. If you want a tool that will not break and that is easy to keep sharp, then you can't go wrong with a Grayman. By the way, the edges look like crap because a fine grit paper is not used to sharpen the knives. I have noticed that his edges stay sharp a little longer than the edges of some of my knives of the same steel from different makers.

By the way, on a recent deployment, I took my Mega Pounder. I had guys with other manufacturer's knives, like Gerber, Busse, and some others, who were willing to trade for my $200 ugly looking knife. I used it like a prybar everyday and beat the hell out of it. A couple of passes on a sharpening stone made it perfect again. No chips or a bent blade, nuff said.

Sean
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There is a huge difference between an edge that has been applied with a low grit belt, and the edge that is pictured in this thread. Even at extremely low grits the edge will still be uniform and straight. The edge pictured is wavy and jagged, almost like pseudo serrations.
 
Striderco said:
I know the edge looks odd and is totally against the norm but I cant stress enough this is a working machine that could probably cut my Millie in half!
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I'm having a hard time buying that sloppy means "working". That's like saying the bolts in your new dryer were not fully tightened or the drive belt is the wrong size because it's a "working" dryer.

Either that or it's some weird "blue collar" thing that I don't get. Like a "working guy" don't need no fancified refined edges. Seems like its just an excuse to send out a knife with a crappy edge. If that same edge was on mass produced import knife from lets say, China, it would be called junk.

I'm really with bada61265 who said the edge doesn't do that knife justice.
 
I previously owned a Grayman Suenami and a West Nile Warrior... I ordered those knives together about 3 years ago because many of the high speed, low drag guys that I work with raved about their "hardcore Grayman knives". When I received them, I realized that "hardcore" meant crooked grind lines, horrible fit and finish, and a cutting edge that looked like a wood-spitting wedge that wouldn't cut mustard. Knives are meant for cutting tasks, not blunt force trauma. Horrible edge on this one, but at least whoever is making the handles and grinding the blades for these folders seems to have some idea about quality control.
 
FEDKNIFELOVER said:
I have a 7.5" Mega Pounder, a 7.5" Warrior, a 7.5" Sub-Saharan, a Grax (a small axe), and a Satu. I have used all and they work perfectly for their intended purposes. They are not pretty, but that is the point. If you want pretty, then there are many other makers out there that can do that. If you want a tool that will not break and that is easy to keep sharp, then you can't go wrong with a Grayman. By the way, the edges look like crap because a fine grit paper is not used to sharpen the knives. I have noticed that his edges stay sharp a little longer than the edges of some of my knives of the same steel from different makers.
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If they are so easy to sharpen...why don't they come sharpened? And why isn't a fine grit paper used to sharpen the knives? I'm utterly confused.
 
230grains said:
That edge looks like crap, I have hacksaws that "cut and cut and cut" too. It's an interesting knife, but I hope this isn't the new trend in knife sharpening. All we need is a couple "gurus" too say it's good and everyone will be dragging their polished edges over the sidewalk because suddenly, they just slide off material. Now toothy edges just won't grab a tomato, need something a little more gritty.
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That is darn funny , I could actually see it happening....

That said I still want a Dua. I have no problem modding a knife to my liking and the price is certainly very fair.

Tostig
 
I understand why some would question the worth of something because it's fit and finish don't meet a high level. I get it. I collected custom Emerson's and other customs for awhile. Spent thousands of dollars. But when I took a custom Emerson apart, I saw that the finish was not worth the $1,200 value. I have no illusions that these are pretty. But, I am a cop and a former Navy Diver and when I use a knife, I want it to be dependable and virtually unbreakable. The fit and finish on every Grayman I have ever purchased was terrible. However, these are custom knives made for around $200, and meant to last a lifetime of hard use. I still have my Randall Made's and others, but I never touch them for real work. I don't hesitate using Graymans' because I know I did not spend a fortune on one. Again, what is the intended purchase for? If you want a production factory knife, then buy a production factory knife. If you want a beautiful custom, then buy a beautiful custom. But if you want something that is just sharp for chores or for work, I think how it looks is secondary to how it performs. I have never seen a posting or heard of any Grayman owner who said that the knife did not perform as intended. However, the only gripe I hear is that it looks terrible or the grinds suck, or that the edge looks bad. I don't work for Grayman, own stock, or anything like that. But, I travel a lot with my knives for work and I am tired of spending a lot of money on knives whose tips break off or are just not up to being pounded on. However, to each his own.

By the way, who do you think designed and even ground Mercworx's fixed blades when they first came out? Look at Graymans' early knives and you will see that Mike knows how to make a custom knife look good. But, he is no longer trying to sell pretty knives, just knives that working people need.

Just my $.02.

Sean
 
Knives should cut, first and foremost. I had two Grayman Knives, and neither of them did. The geometry slope of the thick edges was too obtuse, and did not sharpen well. I understand that his intention is for these to be hard use, working knives, but they were not quality knives, and they did not cut.
 
Scheppy I find that hard to believe after what I ve been doing with my Dua! Did you notify Grayman that your knives did not cut?(LOL) I ve heard their CS is excellent! I own knives from a lot of your "top" makers and the Dua fit and finish is right up there IMO!! The edge is different! Its a tough SOB that is meant to be used and abused! I dont think I could break this knife if I tried! To Mike Grayman, guess this goes to show you, you cant please everyone! But you ve won me over!
 
I've held the Satu, the fit and finish on it was Strider-like, and it is ground thinner than his fixed blades... I was just commenting on the fixed blades that I owned. If it works for you, great; I think that the Satu I held would have been a great knife if it had a little bit cleaner edge.
 
OK, fine, its made to be like that sure but it's still metal (not sure what kind) and will eventually wear down and become dull. So how are you supposed to sharpen it and keep that same edge?
 
FEDKNIFELOVER said:
However, the only gripe I hear is that it looks terrible or the grinds suck, or that the edge looks bad. I don't work for Grayman, own stock, or anything like that. But, I travel a lot with my knives for work and I am tired of spending a lot of money on knives whose tips break off or are just not up to being pounded on. However, to each his own.
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You do realize that a knife can have a decent grind, not cost a fortune, AND not break? Not mutually exclusive in any way.
 
Striderco said:
Hammer let us know what you think of your new Grayman when u get it! Think im going to grab a Satu as well, but will prob wait and get a CF version!
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Just got it today. Very impressed. Sheath is the best I've seen out of all my Grayman knives (no different design just better fit and I like the darker coyote brown color) and the fit and finish is noticeably improved. By that I mean it takes some serious observation to tell that the scales aren't exactly lined up, grinds are clean and crisp. I've never regretted purchasing a single knife from Grayman, coming from someone who has $1955 in Grayman knive that should mean something.
I'll post up a full review some time in the future when time allows.
 
Got my beadblast Dua today! Think I might like it better than the black one!? I believe Grayman is a fairly new company and maybe some of his earlier stuff wasn't the best? But if that was the case they've definitely made major improvements!! I would say the fit and finish is superior to my Striders! I love the "working edges"! Maybe we can get Grayman on here to better explain his work?! I can understand why so many of you are skeptical of his edges. Knives have had the typical smooth looking sharp edges for god knows how long and here comes Grayman with something different, of course people are gonna question this! They re unique and I like them and they cut like a SOB! DSCN1743.jpgDSCN1744.jpgDSCN1746.jpgDSCN1747.jpg
 
You can't re-invent sharp, it looks like a good try but a overall fail. A "working edge" is usually a excuse for the lack of sharpening ability.

I like the knife but find the discussion of the edge to be rather funny.
 
Ordered the dlc dua- midweek, as the bead blast were already sold out. Suppose to ship out this friday- can't wait.
 
knifenut1013 said:
You can't re-invent sharp, it looks like a good try but a overall fail. A "working edge" is usually a excuse for the lack of sharpening ability.

I like the knife but find the discussion of the edge to be rather funny.
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I am inclined to agree with knifenut1013 about the edge, but it is worth doing some testing to verify or falsify the claims. The edge does look "interesting" in that it is not merely a rough edge. It looks like a coarse belt was used and the blade was run over a sawtooth jig so the belt wandered in and out as it ground the edge. If the maker has reinvented sharp, we would be very interested to know how the new sharp performs relative to the old familiar sharp. It is definitely not a face razor.
 
True, but repeatabilty is key in sharpening. If the edge can only be made one time then what's the point?
 
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