Greybush. Should he be allowed back?

[jstrykr74]

I vote no. It's not OK to knowingly expose us to a known risk.

Unless whatever Mod (or Mods) that decides to let him back is going to stand behind any sale/trade he makes.

Or maybe, maybe, if he were permanently forbidden from buying/selling/trading on BF again.
I don't know what went on in his private life, and I hope life is better for him these days, but he has proven that he will do the wrong thing (or at least fail to do the right thing), when faced with challenges.

Well said.

 

[Bladite]

... but he has proven that he will do the wrong thing (or at least fail to do the right thing), when faced with challenges.

generally, that might be true. i can easily present most of you with a challenge though, that most people might likely just fail, in a similar way.

part of that challenge would be: you'd have no choice in the matter. your resulting actions in everything else would reflect that.

but that's another bit of philosophy...

as to the question of letting him back? i'm not voting in a poll. i did my part for community balance though.

Greybush afaik hasn't asked to come back [yet], or for all i know wants or is able to come back. that's really an important bit right there. no point in the further effort on BF's mods part until he walks that path. he has to ask. there isn't a default action here except "NULL"

right now it's still looking about 3 to 1 against in the opinion polls though. i have no idea how that would affect things for a return. it does cause an effect though. words are long remembered.

also: as far as i'm concerned, we have a success story here: the buyer's got their stuff. they were not left empty handed or robbed. yes, it took longer than anyone liked, that they got a bonus goody may not make up for that, and it took many people extra effort to move it along. we (i even) hate it when the integrity of trades/sales goes bad - it's no good for anyone. that part is resolved and done. Greybush even apologized, if awkwardly in method.

for what it's worth, we tried.

 

[Arkanian]

generally, that might be true. i can easily present most of you with a challenge though, that most people might likely just fail, in a similar way.
part of that challenge would be: you'd have no choice in the matter. your resulting actions in everything else would reflect that.

Agreed and well said.

 

[NeverMore1701]

While I have no dog in this fight, I will say that it's not easy to give a worthwhile opinion without being presented with the pertinent facts.

 

[GarnetandBlack]

I think he should be allowed a second chance. I wasn't involved with the deal that caused this conversation, but i've read through the threads and all the public evidence. I think he deserves another chance to come back if he requests it.

When the dust settles, all property was restored, an apology was given. His reputation will be forever tarnished on these forums; not completely unwarranted.

I don't see what more he can do.

I voted yes.

 

[FLymon]

generally, that might be true. i can easily present most of you with a challenge though, that most people might likely just fail, in a similar way.

part of that challenge would be: you'd have no choice in the matter. your resulting actions in everything else would reflect that.

I am not afraid to admit that I don't even know what that means. Are you saying Greybush is in such a pickle? Please elaborate.

The only way I could see myself not even contacting someone I owed would be if I were deranged, dead, intent on stealing from them, or possibly incarcerated.

From reading your posts in particular in the Greybush thread I assume he suffers from some sort of debilitating depression that keeps him from dealing with reality (or something similar).
I do know from what I have experienced in my own life dealing with friends and relatives with varying disabilities/diseases such as depression, bipolar disorder, alcoholism etc.. is that these people usually never fail to disappoint. (I want to be clear, I am not saying they can control their actions all the time, I'm just saying they do tend to be unpredictable and unreliable)

Since I don't know Greybush personally, and we are not privy to his circumstances I am not judging him, just his actions. His actions were those of an unreliable person. The kind of person I hope is not knowingly allowed to solicit from me here where I pay for the privilege of trading.

 

[NYOutdoors]

I'm sure whatever Greybush went through was difficult and very sad. I think I read something along the lines of him not having access to his knives due to a relationship gone bad. Things happen and bad situations are sure to pop up at times, but the one thing I don't understand is how you can have other people's property and not let them know what is going on. Go to a public library, a McDonald's with WiFi, anything... just get the message to those people that you are going through some things and it might take a while to get their knives back to them. It would of gone a long way.

I don't really care if he is allowed back, but if he is allowed back he should have to keep his old account name so that people know who he is and he should not be allowed exchange privileges.

 

[Jonny1280]

If you had previous dealings with Greybush, and have received your stuff back, I want to hear from you.

I bought a knife from Greybush back in September.
It arrived 2-3 weeks late.
However, unlike this last deal, I was in contact with Greybush the entire time.
He included extra items that far outwieghed the purchase price of the knife. I was more than happy when the package arrived.
He definately went above and beyond to make up for the package being late.
The transaction was more positive than negative, so I left possitive feedback for him on the exchange.

With that being said, waiting for it was hell. Not fun. A lot of stuff was going through my head.
Even with the extra stuff thrown in, I told myself that I wouldn't deal with Greybush again.
I can imagine how the four members involved in this last deal were feeling.

...Should we allow him back at Bladeforums?

Quite simply yes.

Does he deserve another chance? Why?

The members here do not know what really went on with Greybush.
He deserves the chance to come on Bladeforums to explain his actions.
His apology was not enough for some people.
Would knowing his circumstances change how they feel? Maybe. Maybe not.
But he does deserve the chance to explain himself.
There are some important people here on the forums that I believe feel the same way. People that were highly involved in the ordeal.

I don't believe it's appropriate for any of us (members), who were not involved in this particular deal, to vote on his future here on Bladeforums.
That, I believe should be left up to the Mods that got involved in the deal, the members who paid Greybush for knives, and the members who stepped in behind the scenes. If someone on Bladeforums has to decide his fate, it should be them. Not us.

Greybush was banned when he came on (under a new name) to make an appology.
He didn't have to. But he did.
He hasn't been granted the opportunity to come on here and speak for himself. He deserves that if nothing else.
That's my opinion on the matter.

 

[wolfmann601]

I am all for giving one a break as long as there is attrition, some form of an apology and a positive step forward. I know stuff happens, right now I am two weeks late in delivering the give away knife, something that I should have anticipated.
If there was truly no purpose to deprive the owners of their knives, goods, monies, materials forever lets cut the dude some slack. Just hold the short end for a little while as a reminder

 

[RevDevil]

I am all for giving one a break as long as there is attrition, some form of an apology and a positive step forward. I know stuff happens, right now I am two weeks late in delivering the give away knife, something that I should have anticipated.
If there was truly no purpose to deprive the owners of their knives, goods, monies, materials forever lets cut the dude some slack. Just hold the short end for a little while as a reminder

That is very well stated, and I agree (despite not having a burger on this grill).