Grrr some people are just ***holes

Honestly, the current "tactical" knife fad was eventually going to have repercussions. The BM710 looks like a military knife, and I would consider it unsuitable for working in an office or grocery store. You wouldn't wear BDU pants and a kevlar helmet to the Dairy Department would you?

Go ahead and continue carrying it if you want to. But no one's going to feel sorry for you when you get shitcanned for not following instructions. Do what you want, but be aware of the consequences, and no whining later.

Just a different perspective...

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
Agreed. At my work, a lot of people know that I collect knives. What they don't know is how many I carry:) Usually, the only ones they see are either my Delica or my Mini-Grip and possibly the Meerkat or Dragonfly on occaison, but they only ever see one at a time. They seem comfortable there. Now bear in mind, I work in a software development research lab. They are a fairly reserved bunch (I'll leave it at that:D ). I did a bit of a test and got more than a few raised eyebrows when I used anything larger. Even a Spydie paramilitary got a look or two - and it's not that "tactical" looking. What I found really odd, though, was that when I pull a larger blade to open one of the PC/Server boxes, these same people consider it normal:grumpy:

Who knows.....I just go with the flow...

- gord
 
All jokes aside, all those who are telling RTTR to "carry it anyway", are giving him very poor advice. If he has been told by someone in his grocery stores management, and I assume that's who told him as a fellow employee wouldn't have the authority to tell him that, then he simply should not do so.

When any of us is at work, we are not on our own time, we are subject to the directions and rules of those in charge of the workplace.

I fully understand that RTTR is frustrated at not being allowed to carry the knife he want, but none of his rights are being violated, and to refuse to follow the instructions of his boss could not only risk his job, but he has said that they provide him with box cutters for work, using a knife not provided by his wrokplace, god forbid he accidently injure himself or someone else, would create massive liability problems.

When your on your own time, your free to carry whatever, but inside the workplace, you are not the boss.

RTTR, don't risk your job over something like this.
 
The Last Confederate said:
All jokes aside, all those who are telling RTTR to "carry it anyway", are giving him very poor advice. If he has been told by someone in his grocery stores management, and I assume that's who told him as a fellow employee wouldn't have the authority to tell him that, then he simply should not do so.

When any of us is at work, we are not on our own time, we are subject to the directions and rules of those in charge of the workplace.

I fully understand that RTTR is frustrated at not being allowed to carry the knife he want, but none of his rights are being violated, and to refuse to follow the instructions of his boss could not only risk his job, but he has said that they provide him with box cutters for work, using a knife not provided by his wrokplace, god forbid he accidently injure himself or someone else, would create massive liability problems.

When your on your own time, your free to carry whatever, but inside the workplace, you are not the boss.

RTTR, don't risk your job over something like this.
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I second everything The Last Confederate has said. It's not worth losing your job or being written up because you don't agree with the policy. If you have enough of a problem with a company policy, look for work elsewhere.

Use this as an excuse/opportunity to buy a knife that is more sheeple friendly! :D
 
OK I have read a lot of what several of you all have said about this brother's dilema. But one of the members eluded to the fact that the draconian rules at his work are just a sign of the current times in which we are living. I know that most of you really meant well with the feedback you gave him. But please do consider this:

Is it FREEDOM when we can't even carry a pocket knife of our choice?
Is it FREEDOM when more and more dracian laws are being passed for knives and guns both?
I thought the whole premise of living in America is that we are in a land of FREEDOM.
Are our brave fighting men and women who are at war now fighting so we can have more strict, draconian, and non-sense laws.
Is it FREEDOM when our law enforcement community by and large tries to convey to us citizens that it is somehow immoral to be in a posture of self defense: which is a GOD given right by way.
None of these ridiculous laws/rules do anything for our safety. But safety is not the issue here. The issue is CONTROL. and we are the ones being CONTROLLED. My question is: Where does FREEDOM come into play here? And what happened to the precious FREEDOM that was stripped from our good brother here. Yes it's a trend all right~~ and not a good one either:mad:
 
JD Spydo said:
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Work is not a democracy. Many employers now use "employment-at-will" meaning they can terminate you for any reason. As long as the employer is not breaking any state or federal law, they have the right to define what is expected of their employees.

Case in point: dress codes. Would you as vehemently argue against "draconian" dress codes in a work environment where you are expected to wear a suit and tie? There certainly isn't any federal or state laws defining how one should dress.

You have a voice to change state and federal laws, but not the private domain. Employers have the right to enforce their own policies; and if you should feel like challenging these policies prepare to find a new job, or to pay an expensive legal battle to change your employer's policies.
 
OK - I've said this before to sheeple when it comes up. If they think the knife is too "big and scary" and they complain about it being a weapon, just tell them that anything can be used as a weapon. Whether you stab someone in the neck with a pencil, gouge out an eye w/ a spoon, or jam a wad of foam down someones throat until they suffocate, requires carrying no knives at all.

If all else fails, get a LARGE machete, paint it bright green with a big-azz neon yellow smiley face on the side of the blade...aint scary no more!
 
When you're off duty, you can carry whatever the hell you want. When you're on the clock, use the knife they ask you to. Seems simple enough.

If your EDC is more important to you than your paycheck then quit and find job that caters to your knife interest.
 
Deadhead Archer said:
Work is not a democracy. Many employers now use "employment-at-will" meaning they can terminate you for any reason. As long as the employer is not breaking any state or federal law, they have the right to define what is expected of their employees.

Case in point: dress codes. Would you as vehemently argue against "draconian" dress codes in a work environment where you are expected to wear a suit and tie? There certainly isn't any federal or state laws defining how one should dress.

You have a voice to change state and federal laws, but not the private domain. Employers have the right to enforce their own policies; and if you should feel like challenging these policies prepare to find a new job, or to pay an expensive legal battle to change your employer's policies.
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First of all I do appreciate your obvious differing view on this but I do indeed disagree with a few of your points.
Number 1>> We don't live in a Democracy. The United States of America is a
Constitutional, Representative Republic ( see the pledge of Allegiance) NOT A DEMOCRACY:( .
Second I don't consider dress codes i.e. suit & tie, specific work uniforms or a casual/non casual an issue that parallels a man carrying a tool and/or self defense implement.
Third>> My comments did not totally relate to the employer doing things to make his business more productive or customer friendly>> I would never be against any businessman/woman doing what they feel necessary to optimize their business.
What I feel is at stake here is a burgeoning trend to where the media, the hypocritical goverment and the more liberal sects of our society trying to make a point to cram down our throats that it is somehow immoral or "not Proper" in a lot of modern viewpoints to carry knives or any potential form of self defense implementry.
Now I do think that if the employer would have made that perfectly clear before the good brother was hired and he mutually agreed to it would be one thing. But it looks to me like his employer wanted to change the rules in the middle of the game just to be politically correct. That I object to.
Plus it seems like the government and other facets of our society want to turn our RIGHTS into priviledges and then in turn revoke our priviledges. I am for his rights, your rights and my rights and a free America>> and yes even in the workplace:)
 
I didn't take into account workmans comp when I suggested he buy a utility knife on his own. He should use the one the store gave him. When you use a large knife, you may accidentally damage the product you are opening. If customers and other employees are complaining, the bottom dollar is the king in this instance. You said you work in a grocery store. I used to work at Walmart, and know people who kept a household going on their stockboy salary. I'm not trying to discount the job, but this isn't the end of the world. It's also not a time to get cocky. Carry something smaller, and don't take it out at work. Maybe something traditional looking like a small trapper or stockman etc. You can still carry your Benchmade outside of work.
 
LOL.

FIGHT THE POWER!

Right on!

I like my bright green machete with big neon-yellow smiley face idea. Hey, on the other side you can have "SHIT HAPPENS!"
 
JD Spydo said:
Number 1>> We don't live in a Democracy. The United States of America is a
Constitutional, Representative Republic ( see the pledge of Allegiance) NOT A DEMOCRACY:( .
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I said WORK is not a democracy.

Second I don't consider dress codes i.e. suit & tie, specific work uniforms or a casual/non casual an issue that parallels a man carrying a tool and/or self defense implement.
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You don't have to see things the same way your employer does, but you may not be working for there long. Even if you don't see the parallel, your employer has every right to define what is expected from you while on the clock.

Third>> My comments did not totally relate to the employer doing things to make his business more productive or customer friendly>> I would never be against any businessman/woman doing what they feel necessary to optimize their business.
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Good enough.

Now I do think that if the employer would have made that perfectly clear before the good brother was hired and he mutually agreed to it would be one thing. But it looks to me like his employer wanted to change the rules in the middle of the game just to be politically correct. That I object to.
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RTTR never made any statement concerning what his terms of employment are/were; or what the official company policy (via employee handbook) is. If carrying a knife of your choice at your place of employment is that big of a deal to you, you should be sure to bring that inquiry up at the interview or when offered the job so you can both be up front about it. Of course, you may then be limiting yourself to the types of jobs you may get hired for...

You are canvassing a broad range of issues, and correlating federal/state criminal law, media opinion, and employment laws. The simple fact is if you don't like a company's policies because you feel that it restricts your freedoms (be it carrying a knife, or not wearing a tie), look for work elsewhere. That is your Constitutionally-protected freedom!

*editted to add*I am strictly pointing this out because many people here are making statements "carry whatever you want". While I also agree it's an unfair policy because I too am a knifenut; RTTR's employer doesn't think so. RTTR works at a grocery store, and his BM 710 may scare a little old lady (which may be a tool that is overkill for the job he does). Likely someone complained to begin with. "Going against the Man" will only get you fired.
 
Well, this isn't an isolated employment problem, this is a widescale social issue...

Maybe a Yojimbo? That looks like a boxcutter....

The BladeTech Mouse II is pretty cool also.

But people are starting to get REALLY paranoid....I bought my girlfriend a Benchmite II and she uses it to open boxes at work. She's been telling me that people get really intimidated by her Benchmite and make comments. She's 5`2. With a Benchmite. And people think it's too mean looking.

The world...has gone mad...
 
just get a Walmart native and carry that. Or Get a better job.
Grocery stores are crappy places to work, I know this from experience.

Your boss/supervisor is an idiot.

I work at an Office in a warehouse, and I openly carry this knife:
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I don't get hassled.
 
I always carry a two inch bladed lockback at work.. the Boss knows I have it..no problems so far! I know this is a trite comment but, whenever you are employed by someone they have the right to tell you what you can & cant do within reason! JMO.:jerkit:
 
You should have carried a Spyderco. Most sheeple probably wouldn't take a knife with a hole in the blade seriously. :D
 
IMO, what you CARRY at work is not thier business.

What you use as a tool for work you are doing for someone else IS thier business.
 
Sadly, it starts with the Benchmade, then it's the SAK, then the pen knife, then the nail clippers.

That aside, I agree with ClintB- what you CARRY is your business, and what you USE is theirs.

I guess you should be thankful that you are allowed to use SOME kind of knife of you own choosing.

And if you like working there, good for you. There are alot of worse jobs out there.

Good luck,
Glenn
 
Over here in the UK its not the boss we have to be worried about with a knive like that.......

.....its the police! :grumpy:

We can get away with an SAK or UKPK so its not that bad.....
 
As I've heard (and said myself), work isn't a democracy, its a dictatorship.

Benevolence is subjective, and as such, many "managers" look at restrictions as a method of preventing potential violence as an appropriatte tool to ensure the good welfare of their employees.

As an aside, when is Great Britain going to have its revolution to regain its liberties? The nation from which so many of the personal liberties we (well, many of us, anyway) consider "rights" to have sunk so far, just boggles the mind.
 
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