Guardians of The Lambsfoot!

[Prester John]

My last post for a few days as we will be going offline until I'm hooked up at the new place
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Going out with a bang!

 

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The final challenge was(is) to create my own interpretation of the old glamor Hollywood pinups. One example would be a WW2 Betty Grable in her bathing suit. That’s my vision, but the knives are my pinup glamour subjects. Thank you for reading(slogging).

I was disappointed when I read this bit. Much as I like knives...
And I also thought a filter was a semitransparent thing that snapped over the lens. I think I even had one for a dual lens reflex camera.
I have to admit photography is a better experience than it used to be.

Speaking of Betty Grable, soon I'll be driving the babes even wilder, and instantly!
At fifty cents, worth a try.

 

[Prester John]

Good afternoon, Guardians!

No "blue Monday" for me!

 

[OLd_gUY]

Morning all. Hope your coming week is a GREAT one!

Thank you very much, John! Got a scope in my future, the Cardiologist wants a closer look.
Emmylou is looking terrific, OG!

Thank you
Never had to get a 'scope for the pump, although a very close friend had a doc who also wanted to take a closer look by using a 'scope and was dreading the possible outcome. The procedure went very well but he ended up getting 3 stints and a pacemaker. Now, he says feels like was 40 and even though he was scared of it all, he's glad his doc was able to find and take care of the probs. His pacemaker can even be fine-tuned in place using Wi-Fi or Bluetooth (not sure which) which is very cool as they used to had to cut you open to tweak it.
It's remarkable what can be done nowadays and the strides that modern medicine has made.

My last post for a few days as we will be going offline until I'm hooked up at the new place
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Looking forward to the day you use the new setup to make your next appearance Later.

I thought it might be useful here to give an explanation about what the terms master cutler and Master Cutler actually mean, and meant historically. The term is sometimes used, usually laughably, by modern cutlery companies, with regard to themselves or their employees, with the implication that it implies some great talent or skill. It does not, a master cutler was simply a self-employed cutler, from which the term ‘Little Mester’ is derived. In Sheffield, the Master Cutler is an annual sobriquet given to some local big-wig by the Company of Cutlers in Hallamshire. While they have not had a connection to the cutlery trade for many years, they always existed as a gaffer’s organisation, rather than a guild or trade organisation, and lowly cutlers were not admitted.

M. Hunter & Son were primarily a manufacturer of table cutlery (example shown here: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/one-for-the-mums-dads-grandparents.1192568/), and a factor of other goods. The good Professor Geoff of Tweedale traces the firm’s origins back to Michael Hunter I (1724-1771) a wealthy hardware merchant from Ecclesfield, which is close to Sheffield, but in the neighbouring county of Derbyshire. Having moved to Sheffield around 1760, he sold materials to cutlers in the town. His son, Michael Hunter II (1759-1831) was also a merchant, and involved in a series of partnerships, the last of which was dissolved in 1806, after which he seems to have traded alone. By 1811, he was listed in local trade directories as a table-knife manufacturer, with the firm expanding under his son Michael III (1800-1886) who took over the business after his father’s death in 1831. The firm was then listed at ‘Talbot Works’ on Sheldon Row in the Wicker area of Sheffield, and later in 1852, the year Michael Hunter III became Master Cutler, at ‘Talbot Works’ in nearby Andrew Street. Between 1849 and 1842 though, Hunter was a partner with Edward Gilbee, in Hunter, Son, and Gillbee, but Gillbee died in 1852.

Hunter III does not seem to have run a very happy ship, and had a particularly fractious relationship with his workforce, which apparently numbered more than a hundred in the early 1840’s. There were disputes over wages, contracts, and work practices, and in about 1850, Hunter was the first Sheffield manufacturer to introduce forging by tilt hammer (rather than by hand), with imported American machinery capable of producing a thousand table knife blades per day.

By 1861, Hunter employed 300 men, according to the census that year. He retired a decade later, leaving his son, the fourth Michael Hunter (1821-1898), as sole partner. By this time the company employed 150 men and 50 boys, probably being able to shed some of the workforce through mechanisation, which was not limited to machine forging. Michael Hunter III died in 1886, with an obituary recording a man ‘who had waged incessant war with the trades’ unions’, being ‘rough and blunt in manner’.

Hunter’s marks were the word/picture ‘Bugle’, granted in 1760; ‘Bison’ (picture), with the word ‘FUERTE’, and ‘Llama’ (picture), a mark acquired from Henry Ecroyd & Co. The company advertised a wide range of products, including table and butchers knives, razors, pen and pocket knives, sportsman’s and gardeners’ knives, and hay knives, as well as ice-skates, edge tools, and plated metal goods. However, most of these items would have been made elsewhere in Sheffield, and factored by the company, which seem to have mainly concentrated on manufacturing table cutlery.

Michael Hunter IV also became Master Cutler (1860), As well as Lord Mayor, Alderman, and JP. He died in 1898, after which the fifth Michael Hunter (1857-1926) took over the firm. It became a limited liability company in 1899. He became Master Cutler in 1903.

In the early 1900s, the firm were based in Reed Street, but seem to have been in decline by this point, with the owner perhaps losing interest in favour of enjoying his inherited wealth and country estate. By 1910, their assets had been acquired by Needham, Veall & Tyzack. Hunter’s were liquidated, but their marks were acquired by H.M Slater Ltd (after WWII according to Tweedale).

Hope that's of interest Harvey Would it be possible for you to post up some unfiltered pics of your knife?

Another great treatise full of interesting info. Thank you

No. Just kidding. That was massively interesting. Each time you explicate, we all benefit. I appreciate not only the time involved, but currently feel guilty knowing of your connection woes. Much appreciation for your effort.
...
As a former photographer(B&W photojournalist), the use of filters were forbidden. Decades later, missing photography, I created a self-challenge, consisting of only using the iPhone, shooting primarily in color, and having fun with post-processing. I try to keep it real, but enhance with filters, like clarify, sharpening, color saturation, etc. The final challenge was(is) to create my own interpretation of the old glamor Hollywood pinups. One example would be a WW2 Betty Grable in her bathing suit. That’s my vision, but the knives are my pinup glamour subjects. Thank you for reading(slogging).

I find it fascinating to learn that about you. It must have been a time full of extremely unique and rewarding experiences, albeit as well as some frustrating ones. Livin' large, my friend . Nothing like a beautiful composed and well lit B&W. My daughter is coming for a visit and wants to make a day trip up to Yosemite. I'm planning on tagging along and I'm looking forward to stopping in at the Ansel Adams Gallery
Here's a digitized B&W of a color pic meant as a recognition to your profession
OG

 

[southriv]

southriv said: ↑
My first Lambsfoot - in bone handle. Having some hobbies/activities that benefit from a shape like this, I also find this design very comfortable for EDC. With my pockets filling up with key bundles, wallet & cell, that's important to me.

...lots of eye candy on this thread. Looking forward to getting some others...

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Congrats on the new horn lambsfoot, southriv ; that knife rocks!! What hobbies do you like the lambsfoot for?

.....Specifically - Many aspects of gardening/agriculture (lots of usage there), plus fly fishing, roadside wiring repairs on an old motorcycle.... I live in the country in MA near the VT border, so a simple carry knife (sometimes carry a Barlow) is a basic necessity.

 

[pjsjr]

My last post for a few days as we will be going offline until I'm hooked up at the new place
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Hope all goes smoothly, Dave, look forward to your return.

I thought it might be useful here to give an explanation about what the terms master cutler and Master Cutler actually mean, and meant historically. The term is sometimes used, usually laughably, by modern cutlery companies, with regard to themselves or their employees, with the implication that it implies some great talent or skill. It does not, a master cutler was simply a self-employed cutler, from which the term ‘Little Mester’ is derived. In Sheffield, the Master Cutler is an annual sobriquet given to some local big-wig by the Company of Cutlers in Hallamshire. While they have not had a connection to the cutlery trade for many years, they always existed as a gaffer’s organisation, rather than a guild or trade organisation, and lowly cutlers were not admitted.

M. Hunter & Son were primarily a manufacturer of table cutlery (example shown here: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/one-for-the-mums-dads-grandparents.1192568/), and a factor of other goods. The good Professor Geoff of Tweedale traces the firm’s origins back to Michael Hunter I (1724-1771) a wealthy hardware merchant from Ecclesfield, which is close to Sheffield, but in the neighbouring county of Derbyshire. Having moved to Sheffield around 1760, he sold materials to cutlers in the town. His son, Michael Hunter II (1759-1831) was also a merchant, and involved in a series of partnerships, the last of which was dissolved in 1806, after which he seems to have traded alone. By 1811, he was listed in local trade directories as a table-knife manufacturer, with the firm expanding under his son Michael III (1800-1886) who took over the business after his father’s death in 1831. The firm was then listed at ‘Talbot Works’ on Sheldon Row in the Wicker area of Sheffield, and later in 1852, the year Michael Hunter III became Master Cutler, at ‘Talbot Works’ in nearby Andrew Street. Between 1849 and 1842 though, Hunter was a partner with Edward Gilbee, in Hunter, Son, and Gillbee, but Gillbee died in 1852.

Hunter III does not seem to have run a very happy ship, and had a particularly fractious relationship with his workforce, which apparently numbered more than a hundred in the early 1840’s. There were disputes over wages, contracts, and work practices, and in about 1850, Hunter was the first Sheffield manufacturer to introduce forging by tilt hammer (rather than by hand), with imported American machinery capable of producing a thousand table knife blades per day.

By 1861, Hunter employed 300 men, according to the census that year. He retired a decade later, leaving his son, the fourth Michael Hunter (1821-1898), as sole partner. By this time the company employed 150 men and 50 boys, probably being able to shed some of the workforce through mechanisation, which was not limited to machine forging. Michael Hunter III died in 1886, with an obituary recording a man ‘who had waged incessant war with the trades’ unions’, being ‘rough and blunt in manner’.

Hunter’s marks were the word/picture ‘Bugle’, granted in 1760; ‘Bison’ (picture), with the word ‘FUERTE’, and ‘Llama’ (picture), a mark acquired from Henry Ecroyd & Co. The company advertised a wide range of products, including table and butchers knives, razors, pen and pocket knives, sportsman’s and gardeners’ knives, and hay knives, as well as ice-skates, edge tools, and plated metal goods. However, most of these items would have been made elsewhere in Sheffield, and factored by the company, which seem to have mainly concentrated on manufacturing table cutlery.

Michael Hunter IV also became Master Cutler (1860), As well as Lord Mayor, Alderman, and JP. He died in 1898, after which the fifth Michael Hunter (1857-1926) took over the firm. It became a limited liability company in 1899. He became Master Cutler in 1903.

In the early 1900s, the firm were based in Reed Street, but seem to have been in decline by this point, with the owner perhaps losing interest in favour of enjoying his inherited wealth and country estate. By 1910, their assets had been acquired by Needham, Veall & Tyzack. Hunter’s were liquidated, but their marks were acquired by H.M Slater Ltd (after WWII according to Tweedale).

Hope that's of interest Harvey Would it be possible for you to post up some unfiltered pics of your knife?

Thanks for such an interesting post, Jack...and as Harvey said on your phone. It would be all most impossible for me to do anything like that!

Great pics Preston, though that cactus looks like a lot of trouble my friend

It is, especially for Dutch. When he gets into the Popcorn Cactus he doesn't get just one and comes to complete stop and tries to remove them. They get stuck on his lip and he can't get to any others to remove them. I carry a small pair of pliers when we're out. The needles are so sharp I find it to painful for me to remove with my fingers.

I was disappointed when I read this bit. Much as I like knives...
And I also thought a filter was a semitransparent thing that snapped over the lens. I think I even had one for a dual lens reflex camera.
I have to admit photography is a better experience than it used to be.

Speaking of Betty Grable, soon I'll be driving the babes even wilder, and instantly!
At fifty cents, worth a try.

Good luck with that, Jer...I know a few that would be rather pleased with that horn covered Lambsfoot!

It's remarkable what can be done nowadays and the strides that modern medicine has made.

You are so right with this statement, OG. I tell my younger friends that they are lucky, when they get to be my age they will be able to shop and order replacement parts.

 

[Half/Stop]

Thanks pal, that's a great start to the week

Thank you my friend!

 

[cigarrodog]

I was disappointed when I read this bit. Much as I like knives...
And I also thought a filter was a semitransparent thing that snapped over the lens. I think I even had one for a dual lens reflex camera.
I have to admit photography is a better experience than it used to be.

Speaking of Betty Grable, soon I'll be driving the babes even wilder, and instantly!
At fifty cents, worth a try.

I was not quite sure what you were dissapointed about. I’m interested in your response. Was it the subject matter or was it the use of filters? As for the glamor part. I really like the genre. The lighting, composition, coloring. It’s a recognized art form. It’s a way of presenting the knife, which many outside of knife enthusiasts, view as a scary object instead of as a thing of beauty. As for filters, the ones I use are digital, not physical round, ground glass.

OLd_gUY Thank you OG. It was a great time. Communicating in B&W without color is an interesting challenge, as your fine image does so well. The great Great Photographers like Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, and whole slew of Life Magazine photographers, were my true teachers.

@dc50 Best of luck with your move, Dave.

 

[donn]

Thanks David, I had wondered where your pic was taken, the nearest I've been to Clitheroe is listening to Jimmy on the radio

That's 'cos you never got your passport sorted

Yes, a real shame about Green's, a few Porch members have had small gifts from there over the years. Sheffield used to have a great tobacconist opposite the Town Hall, but it closed decades ago I'm afraid. Very few shops like that left That's a shock about Woodall's, I'm staggered in fact

Aye, I was shocked myself when my mate told me and even more so when I turned up to see it for myself. Apparently it was all due to rent rises. Malton is changing and not for the better so it'll just end up as another coffee bar
They always had a decent selection of knives, tools and loads of other stuff you just don't find these days. And despite his slightly higher prices he was always popular; but end of an era as they say.
In better days.

Thanks David. I don't think some folks realize how bad it can get. I am not proud to say this but when I had all I could take and set about eradicating them I stopped counting at 175. I have offered atonement and we coexist peacefully now. Looking forward to seeing the bird table project get underway.

That would be an infestation here. Parts of the UK have a cull on the grey squirrel as they've been destroying deciduous woodland. Good to hear you got on top of it.

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Good luck with the move Dave.

Today.

 

[cigarrodog]

Jack Black - So here are the dull, dreary, and unfiltered images of the M. Hunter&Son Lambfoot. All images shot in open shade.

Size comparison with my AC.

 

[Pt-Luso]

I'll be back with another photo of my stag Père David.

 

[cigarrodog]

I went inside and shot it again. I need a nap.

 

[stevekolt]

Alright, everything is sorted out with A.Wright. It takes about a week to make a knife with the nail nick on the other side, so my lefty in Buffalo, Stag, and lemon/lime will all be shipping when the lefty is ready. Then I can add the Guardians banner to my sig!

 

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I was not quite sure what you were dissapointed about. I’m interested in your response. Was it the subject matter or was it the use of filters? As for the glamor part. I really like the genre. The lighting, composition, coloring. It’s a recognized art form. It’s a way of presenting the knife, which many outside of knife enthusiasts, view as a scary object instead of as a thing of beauty. As for filters, the ones I use are digital, not physical round, ground glass.

OLd_gUY Thank you OG. It was a great time. Communicating in B&W without color is an interesting challenge, as your fine image does so well. The great Great Photographers like Ansel Adams, Edward Weston, and whole slew of Life Magazine photographers, were my true teachers.

@dc50 Best of luck with your move, Dave.

Sorry, cigarrodog , it's just that I was about to ask you to show us your swimsuit issue, and there wasn't one. I should have done one of these:
As for filters, all I know about them is that Leni Riefenstahl used them to shoot night scenes a lot better than anybody we had could do.

 

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The babes are safe.
As so often happens, real life reminds me of Monty Python: Idle in drag, Chapman with a dog, and Cleese, as the presenters of How to Do It. Cleese told us how to play a flute: 'You blow into this bit, and move your fingers up and down here".

 

[Fodderwing]

@mitch4ging Dennis I'm hoping your pump issues get sorted out soon and satisfactorily. It is amazing what strides have been made in that field.

Jack Black Jack the write-up on Harvey's Hunter's Lambsfoot is most interesting and enjoyable. I hope your medical appointments were beneficial today.

@dc50 Dave good luck on the final chapter of you two casting your tent toward Calgary. We will see you on the other side!

Have a great evening Guardians

 

[JTB_5]

Big’un arrived! A cool city map, postcard, keychain, pin, and coin also came along! Thanks so much, Jack!

With a fresh edge:

 

[Prester John]

Big’un arrived! A cool city map, postcard, keychain, pin, and coin also came along! Thanks so much, Jack!

With a fresh edge:

Very cool!

 

[5K Qs]

GT, thanks for the Doris Day . . . be still my heart!

Just heard she passed away today.

RIP, Doris.

- GT

 

[Prester John]

Just heard she passed away today.

RIP, Doris.

- GT

Amen.