Guide to Concealable Weapons

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So you know what not to get into an airport thinking they will not notice it... :rolleyes:

Guide to Concealable Weapons 2003 (PDF)
Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2003
In the wake of the September 11, 2001 airline highjackings, the Firearms and Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory started to compile information on small and easily concealed knives. This is the first installment of a continuing effort to collect and distribute information on knives that otherwise may be dismissed as nonthreatening items.

http://www.asiscleveland.com/asis/docs/CW.pdf
 
Jezz, they are really far behind. They couldn't even id the manufacturer of one of the card knives even though it had a Microtech logo on it :rolleyes:
 
ROTFLMAO........

Carbon Fiber Knife
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Composition: Plastic :D
Now THAT'S Funny.
 
Not as good at the "Manufacturer unknown" on the Microtech. Somehow, the idea that this came out of our FBI disturbs me. Are these the same people who are trying to catch the anthrax killer? Maybe we need to re-evaluate those envelopes and see if they may have missed anything... like a return address!
 
Actually - while I think some of it is funny, and that they need to get a better maker for C/F? knives, the grind lines on that one are icky, (Althought its a nice design, needs a guard or finger groove though), I think this should be looked at seriously.
I mean - how can we wage war on terror, when our anti-terror warriors cant even read MicroTech ont he side of a knife blade!?!?! We're screwed ;)

Seriously its interesting. Nothing surprising, but interesting none-the-less.
Although, more important than concealable tools, is the concepts methods and devices that can be used TO conceal items. With a working knowledge of that you can conceal a ton of things, either temporarily, or for a longer-term engagement.
I say THAT knowledge is more valuable.
 
A lot of those are novelty items (like the crusifix) or just daily tools, amny of which I think are too wimpy to even carry. Others I haven't seen for a long time. This booklet is full of paranoia and stupidity. Whay would someone conceal a knife by disguising it as a bullet? Wouldn't a bullet get more attention? It is just like a dumb article in "Ninja" magazine showing that knife that looks like a revolver. Those are novelties, not disguised weapons. :rolleyes:

They really need help. I wonder if they know about Gunkid's Assault Wheelbarrow? That might be something they need to look out for. ;)
 
I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at the lettuce knives. You can't even cut cabbage with one of those...
 
Originally posted by enkidu
I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at the lettuce knives. You can't even cut cabbage with one of those...
"Slicing through several inches of meat" naturally provokes some visceral fear; somehow "several inches of cabbage" just doesn't make the same connection.

I still can't get over the Microtech "manufacturer unknown". :D
How could you clip that page as a .jpg?
 
Originally posted by johnniet
I still can't get over the Microtech "manufacturer unknown". :D
How could you clip that page as a .jpg?

An easy method:

Center the image on your screen and press the <Print Screen> key on your keyboard; then just "Paste" image on any graphics editor (MS Paint for instance); trim down and save it.

Enjoy.
 
Originally posted by johnniet

How could you clip that page as a .jpg?
Some PDFs may have a security feature preventing you from extracting stuff from it.
I don't exactly know how to do it, but probably some acrobat tools would do
 
It's kind of funny how many of those I have seen slash how many things I own that--judging from the type of thing they were looking for--should have been there.

I'm just having flashbacks of slicing napkins at a restaurant after Blade Show with a plastic Kerambit. ;)

But perhaps the funniest thing was the lettuce knives. Just imagine. Terrorist A draws the lettuce knives and summarily gets beaten down by Businessperson B with a laptop.

Laptops are heavy. Bludgeon power!
 
I own about half a dozen of those items.

I think the silliest is the blades in fake cartridges - like anyone would try to sneak a blade in a fake cartridge! That would be like trying to sneak a knife that looks like a gun.
 
"Slicing through several inches of meat" naturally provokes some visceral fear; somehow "several inches of cabbage" just doesn't make the same connection.

Keep in mind that the events of 9/11/01 were propagated with "box cutters," tools that I think very few of us would even call knives. These things are flimsy, made of bend-up sheet metal, have a razor-blade for an edge, only about 1/2" of usable edge, and no lock mechanism. No serious military or "self-defense" expert would consider this an appropriate weapon. But they got the job done that morning.

What was the job? To hack and slash and stab and kill all of the people aboard those planes? No. Just to create fear and to intimidate. And, properly brandished, even one of those plastic knives would do just fine.

The thing that really upsets me about this little project is that our FBI seems arrogantly unwilling to leverage the existing database. They have to go out and do everything themselves and do it there own way. They're gonna build their own collection of disguised and concealable knives. Why? There are several people here who have extensive collections of disguised or concealable knives. There are people here whos life-passion is to catalog and collect such knives. And I'm sure that if they were asked by the FBI crime labs to help, they'd be more than happy to lend their knowledge in the interest of homeland security. I myself could contribute three or four good examples for them. But if they want to go off by themselves, take the "not invented here" attitude, and make stupid mistakes, then fine, they can do and do that. The annoying thing is that they're doing it with my money.
 
What I find disturbing is the list of items that they emphasized presented no metallic signature. It wasn't common knowledge until people started reading that list. Since we don't X-Ray people yet, all those plastic and ceramic items are impossible to detect with just the metal detector. Making it easier to have them being carried on board an airplane.

My $0.02.
 
I sure miss the pre 9/11/2001 days when I carried a Spyderco Endura with me when flying. I don't feel any safer flying now than back then. Flying used to be fun, now it is a hassle.
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
Keep in mind that the events of 9/11/01 were propagated with "box cutters," tools that I think very few of us would even call knives. These things are flimsy, made of bend-up sheet metal, have a razor-blade for an edge, only about 1/2" of usable edge, and no lock mechanism. No serious military or "self-defense" expert would consider this an appropriate weapon. But they got the job done that morning.

What was the job? To hack and slash and stab and kill all of the people aboard those planes? No. Just to create fear and to intimidate. And, properly brandished, even one of those plastic knives would do just fine.

The thing that really upsets me about this little project is that our FBI seems arrogantly unwilling to leverage the existing database. They have to go out and do everything themselves and do it there own way. They're gonna build their own collection of disguised and concealable knives. Why? There are several people here who have extensive collections of disguised or concealable knives. There are people here whos life-passion is to catalog and collect such knives. And I'm sure that if they were asked by the FBI crime labs to help, they'd be more than happy to lend their knowledge in the interest of homeland security. I myself could contribute three or four good examples for them. But if they want to go off by themselves, take the "not invented here" attitude, and make stupid mistakes, then fine, they can do and do that. The annoying thing is that they're doing it with my money.

Excellent post, Gollnick.
I agree with you - there are better ways to spend American tax dollars. If they are going to do it, it should be done right.
I'd be glad to help them with it if they contacted me. Not to brag, but this stuff is a serious interest of mine and I've spent more time than average on researching it and becoming knowledgeable about it. I've got a nice little collection of mostly modest, but very realistic and valuable, concealable weapons, and an at least rough working knowledge of all of them. Not to mention that but I make goodies like this on a professional custom level. I could do a better job on that report, more realistic and more valuable in the manner in which it was presented. That almost reads like a Bud K catalogue, infact it does.
I know there are Fed's out there reading this - come on guys, start emailing people in the know - go over to www.donrearic.com look at the article on Small Knives, Theory and Application, contact its author, contact me, contact anyone who shows a remote knowledge of this stuff. A Lab rat with a computer terminal can only do so much (as we can plainly see).

Originally posted by tonyccw
What I find disturbing is the list of items that they emphasized presented no metallic signature. It wasn't common knowledge until people started reading that list. Since we don't X-Ray people yet, all those plastic and ceramic items are impossible to detect with just the metal detector. Making it easier to have them being carried on board an airplane.

My $0.02.

People have known about non-metallic knives before this. Still I say the majority of people who will know about the very high quality ones, custom made carbon fiber, G-10 or ceramic, are only going to be people in the business of needing them, or collectors.
The lettuce knives and stuff - sure. And no, I dont dismiss those easily, they could make a nasty stab wound. Stabbing kills better than slashing anyway, so their cutting ability is a non-issue.
 
The best are the bullet cartridge knives.

You would truly have to be a stupid @ss to try and sneak one of those into virtually anywhere with some sort of security.

I'm sure glad the FBI is training to differentiate these dangerous and deadly look-alikes from harmless cartridges.

Check out the x-ray on page 64.

-- Rob
 
Just imagine your average airport security guy after receviving this from his boss... 2 hours per passenger just to check for this deadly weapons... :rolleyes:


Now, tell me why this things are off limits and a good ol Rotring 600 isn't?
Oh, I forgot for a second, it does't have a blade :barf:

It really scares/bothers me that this much effort is focused on items like bullet knives, or stuff with blades smaller than a mini SAK :(

NsB:
 
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