Guide to Concealable Weapons

Originally posted by satin
People have known about non-metallic knives before this.
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I've known about them for quite a long time, ever since my first CIA Letter Opener from Atlanta Cutlery in the 80's. But it was only known to the those that were looking for it. But my point was that now those that aren't in the know, will be in the know, and that little FBI distribution could cause more harm than good.

Like the old saying goes: Ignorance is bliss.
 
I think the really laughable part was that the FBI felt the need to provide the cap markings on the various cartridge knives, just in case airport security mistook them for the real deal and let them through :rolleyes:

And who here couldn't tell it was a Microtech knife even if the markings weren't visable :D sheesh.
 
Oh, don't tell them about the dynamite knife. I was thinking that that was the perfect, fool-proof hiding technique. And now you've gone and spilled the beans. :D


And yes, Tony, non-metalic knives are nothing new. The FBI's collection reminds us that some of the first knives were stone and, for the most part, undetectible with metal detectors.
 
As a technical writer, what bothers me most of all is the incredibly crude, slipshod nature of this document. This is the best the Federal Bureau of Investigation could create? This?
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
Oh, don't tell them about the dynamite knife. I was thinking that that was the perfect, fool-proof hiding technique. And now you've gone and spilled the beans. :D
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Sorry. At least I didn't tell them about the gopher-chucks we are all carrying. :D
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
And yes, Tony, non-metalic knives are nothing new. The FBI's collection reminds us that some of the first knives were stone and, for the most part, undetectible with metal detectors.
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You know, I tried carrying around an obsidian knife once, but they are a real PITA to sharpen. Don't get me started on edge control...
 
Shows you my Middle Eastern food obsession. I first read that as, "They're a real pain in the bread-pocket to sharpen." ;)
 
I cant believe a group of 50+ people on an aircraft would honestly be intimidated by someone wielding a 1 inch 'bullet knife' even if you slashed someones neck unless you pinned them down and sawed at their jugular i doubt you would do much damage with such a small blade.

I also own one of the unknown manufacturers toolcards and i can tell you now the supposed knife edtge on it is about 3/4 inch long and so blunt it doesnt cut if you run your finger down it

I think someone has found a nice way to spend a couple of weeks finding a load of junk to photograph and x ray, I would say only about 1/4 of the items listed there actually deserve to be classified as dangerous
 
Hi, I work for the FBI and I bought a knife that says Microtech on the blade. Does anyone know the name of the manufacturer? DUH!:p
 
I cant believe a group of 50+ people on an aircraft would honestly be intimidated by someone wielding a 1 inch 'bullet knife'
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Recent history disagrees with you.
 
I knew a guy, who had a hamster smuggle a safetypin,(I'll leave the details of how a hamster could smuggle a safetypin to your imagination) and he tried to smuggle the hamster,(see previous comment in parenthesis) onto a plane he was so busy laughin' he got busted, yet I don't see his hamster listed in the FBI PDF. Not a single picture, let alone an X-Ray.

Seriously though, this document sets a standard that will be referred to by every government agency, every public gathering place, and the security department of every Disney Land style resort for next century, and I doubt there is anything we can do about it.

Like it's been said before, I own a bunch of these items, and I also collect concealable/discreet devices of personal protection.

What bothers me also is that the FBI didn't go to the experts, hell I'd love to have a job like that, a more accurate description might help to dispel the beliefs that most of these items could be successfully used as a weapon capable of taking over an entire plane load of irritated travelers.

The other thing that pisses me off is that in the dispelling of this info by the FBI they neglect to mention that these people didn't take over the planes with any sharp item, the threat of a bomb going off was what lured the passengers into a sense of complacency.

I lost a very good friend in the terroristic attack on the Trade Center,(as I'm sure many people here have) but the irresponsible way the FBI tries to pawn documentation such as this off as training/informational aids is a slap in the face to the people who lost, and gave their lives on that day.

This document will do nothing to prevent this type of thing from happening again, any one who has done a fair amount of air travel will see this, it's nothing more than an attempt justify what they have been doing in the last year and a half.

Sorry to be such a downer, on the light side it is funny when you take it out of context.
 
The item identified as "Delta Pen knife", manufacturer - unknown, country of origin - unknown ...is a 360 pivot.

I just pulled out my DeltaZ 360 pivot, on the blade is clearly ecthed - "DeltaZ crafted in Italy". :rolleyes:
 
I read a news article about forthcoming expensive and large x-ray machine that can do what they did in a past Scharwzenegger film - they will be able to see your soft tissue and anything hard surrounding it.

The Schwarzenegger film showed a skeleton walking past the machine. This real one won't be so invasive.
 
Originally posted by RH
The item identified as "Delta Pen knife", manufacturer - unknown, country of origin - unknown ...is a 360 pivot.

I just pulled out my DeltaZ 360 pivot, on the blade is clearly ecthed - "DeltaZ crafted in Italy". :rolleyes:
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Clone's of these exist....
 
I remember a month ago a man was charged in Melbourne with attempting to hijack a plane and he stabbed two flight attendants by wooden sticks. It's strange they didn't include these... oh well, I'm sure part2 is on its way
 
My favorites:

1. The Stinger and Impact Kerambit listed as cutting instruments.

2. The obsession with utility novelties.

3. The trouble one manufacturer apparently went through to restamp what appears to be a .30 Carbine or other pistol type cartridge "30-06."

I do have a problem with these items being presumptively labled as weapons. Potential weapons maybe, but weapons on their face no. I think the most professional way of handling this would have been to call the thing "Guide to Concealable Cutting Instruments" and let the reader judge whether the object should be treated as a weapon based on his or her particular circumstances.

Gollnick, I understand your concerns about 9/11, but for purposes of this discussion those attacks occurred "pre-9/11," and we are now firmly "post-9/11." I do not believe that any sizable majority of airline passengers would allow similar events to happen again, or that the outcome of an attempt would turn on whether the terrorists were armed with SwissTech UtiliKeys.
 
Still waiting for some flak over that new credit card design. Somebody, somewhere will put an edge on that puppy. :(
 
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