Guide to Concealable Weapons

I do not believe that any sizable majority of airline passengers would allow similar events to happen again
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BINGO!

You're exactly right!

Prior to 9/11, we had an unwritten social contract concerning airline hijacking. In fact, it was actually written as policy for most airlines. That contract was: the Hijackers want to survive. So do we. If we just cooperate, give them whateve they want, do whatever they say, we'll all live through this together. We may all get a complimentary trip to Havana, but we'll be ok in the end. What's bad for the hijackers is bad for everyone.

On 9/11, those men broke the fundamental premiss of that contract: they didn't want to survive! And the whole social contract build around that premiss crumbled.

Well, on 9/11, that contract was rewritten. Never again will a hundred airline passengers armed with pillows, magazines, meal trays, and blankets allow four men to take over an airplane.

I don't care how good a martial artist you are, 2-on-1 is managable, 3-on-1 is tough, 4-on-1 starts to get out of hand, 5-on-1 is bad, but 25-on-1 is impossible.

On 9/11, the hijackers ruined the hijacking game for everyone. Hijacking is not a pleasant game anymore. The old paradigm of capitulate and cooperate is gone completely.

The events of 9/11 will never be repeated.
 
Gollnick, I was pretty sure that you felt that way at heart and I'm glad I prodded your response out of you. You expressed what needed to be said better than I did.

Now as soon as the feds understand that and let me carry a pocketknife again, I'll be happy.
 
Well spoken, Gollnick. I can guarantee you that if a few years ago I was on a plane and it was hijacked, I would have looked over to my fiancee and said "just sit here and be calm, they want something and if we stay out of their way we will all land safely and then it will be up to the sharpshooters." If they started slitting throats I may have gotten involved, but probably even then I would not. Now, it will be a much different story...

Or as my father so simply put it - "Let them try. They can't cut us all"
 
I find it sad that our tax dollars are going to fund such incompetent research.

I mean, I understand the big things like the cane knife, but seriously, these sub 2" pen blades are REALLY not major concerns unless every person on the plane is a wuss.

I don't mean to sound uncompromising, but a terrorist comin' at me with a 2" pen knife is gonna get his ass kicked, and if other passengers can't do that too, then this nation is screwed.
 
Hit this and scroll down http://www.righteouswarriortemple.org/New Folder/hidden.htm for Hidden Weapons (this file has been around for a few years at least.)

Flying back from Blade last year, while I wasn't allowed to carry any of my edged acquisitions on board with me, the aircraft crew had no objection to my 4' walking stick. :p

On the subject of FBI competence, I wonder if the accelerated hiring since 9/11 has loaded the venerable agency up with the untrained or possibly the untrainable. We know there's been a problem hiring enough sky marshals, and some of them were unhappy at the level of professionalism of their own management.

I read a while back that Sal Glesser volunteered to show law enforcement how to secure an aircraft against weapons being slipped on board, but they had no time for him. After seeing the file that led off this thread, I can believe it.
 
As I recall, post 9-11. A gentleman on a Southwest airlines flight got a bit crazed and and started threatening the good folks onboard, promptly had his stuffings kicked out by a handful of passengers and died as a result. No charges were ever filed on the defenders of that aircraft. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/southwest000916.html

Hey...I just checked out the dates. This occured a year BEFORE 9-11...I didn't realize this. Hmmm...
 
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