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Guns: Your prefered wilderness carry options?
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honestly....i would carry a .22 for defense before a .32 .25. .380. I have seen the wound channel that a .22 leaves.....freaking wicked...up close i would take a .22 before a .45. I know I know blasphemy right?
listen to this and maybe you might think a tad different. i am not trying to change minds just enlighten a tad.
One of the local PDs took 5 repro skeletons put basic replica organs (brain heart lungs) in and covered it in gelatin. then clothed them.
.22, .32, .380, 9mm, .45. were the used calibers all hollow points of different manufacturs
all shots from the 3 foot mark, close combat no aiming shots from the holster at the hip one shot.
the .45 was in and out with a decent wound channel, just straight. not a wholly stopping right under the rib cage. nice gut shot though
9mm same basic wound channel but hit a rib on the right and exited up the back behind neck. not a stopping shot just a severe wound
.380 in and out with a pencil thin wound channel right throught the left lung ouch.
.32 under the zyphoid process no exit just stopped at the backwith a wound channel that made kate moss look thick.
.22 entered under the right lung hit a rib went up hit the left colar bone passed through the heart hit a rib again and changd direction while passing through the spinal column. serious ouch.
now is this always the case? not really but it a median...this test was done 5 times with one shot each and the results were pretty similar each time.
think about it..the .22 did more damage with one shot than the larger calibers did..up close for me its a .22, but i still carry a .45 too
listen to this and maybe you might think a tad different. i am not trying to change minds just enlighten a tad.
One of the local PDs took 5 repro skeletons put basic replica organs (brain heart lungs) in and covered it in gelatin. then clothed them.
.22, .32, .380, 9mm, .45. were the used calibers all hollow points of different manufacturs
all shots from the 3 foot mark, close combat no aiming shots from the holster at the hip one shot.
the .45 was in and out with a decent wound channel, just straight. not a wholly stopping right under the rib cage. nice gut shot though
9mm same basic wound channel but hit a rib on the right and exited up the back behind neck. not a stopping shot just a severe wound
.380 in and out with a pencil thin wound channel right throught the left lung ouch.
.32 under the zyphoid process no exit just stopped at the backwith a wound channel that made kate moss look thick.
.22 entered under the right lung hit a rib went up hit the left colar bone passed through the heart hit a rib again and changd direction while passing through the spinal column. serious ouch.
now is this always the case? not really but it a median...this test was done 5 times with one shot each and the results were pretty similar each time.
think about it..the .22 did more damage with one shot than the larger calibers did..up close for me its a .22, but i still carry a .45 too
In my area two legged predators are much more common than four legged ones. I carry my typical Glock19 w/ TLR-1 tac light on it. It's the same gun I carry every other day of my life, why not on the trail?
If I'm hunting my rifle or shotgun double as my defense tool as well.
If I'm hunting my rifle or shotgun double as my defense tool as well.
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KDSTRICK - " Again, I do not intend to offend anyone, but merely point out that there are much, much better choices in a sidearm than a .22. "
Not for a novice to learn the fundamentals of shooting accuractely, functioning, and safety."
Nor for rabbits, squirrels, grouse, bullfrogs, etc.
KDSTRICK - " Again, I do not intend to offend anyone, but merely point out that there are much, much better choices in a sidearm than a .22. "
Not for a novice to learn the fundamentals of shooting accuractely, functioning, and safety."
Nor for rabbits, squirrels, grouse, bullfrogs, etc.
For those of you who advocate a 22 for outdoor carry above a larger caliber,
I have a question for you....
With the expansion of the Mountain Lion terriroty back into the midwest, and their numbers increasing East of the Mississippi River, where do hike that is not Cougar territory? If you happened to come face to face with one of these, which weapon platform would you rather have with you? If you have to protect your family members, the larger caliber will give you a better sound profile for a warning shot than a 22.
To resolve the dispute, and in the spirit of this forum, get both, and never hike alone, and let your friend carry the 22. If you bring a dog as your companion, place a pack on it and let it carry the 22.
I have been hiking and spending time in the outdoors since cub scouts, and until a few years ago, I carried my buck mark 22. After stumbling onto a vacated meth lab, my sense of security was violated. The release of 10 mountian lions along the missouri river system reinforced my decision to get a 45, and I have never questioned my decision. I did switch my load from a standard pressure to a 45 super for my own peace of mind.
Granted, I have never had to use it, and I pray that I never will, but the same goes for my home owners and car insurance. It is there if the un-expected should happen.
I have a question for you....
With the expansion of the Mountain Lion terriroty back into the midwest, and their numbers increasing East of the Mississippi River, where do hike that is not Cougar territory? If you happened to come face to face with one of these, which weapon platform would you rather have with you? If you have to protect your family members, the larger caliber will give you a better sound profile for a warning shot than a 22.
To resolve the dispute, and in the spirit of this forum, get both, and never hike alone, and let your friend carry the 22. If you bring a dog as your companion, place a pack on it and let it carry the 22.
I have been hiking and spending time in the outdoors since cub scouts, and until a few years ago, I carried my buck mark 22. After stumbling onto a vacated meth lab, my sense of security was violated. The release of 10 mountian lions along the missouri river system reinforced my decision to get a 45, and I have never questioned my decision. I did switch my load from a standard pressure to a 45 super for my own peace of mind.
Granted, I have never had to use it, and I pray that I never will, but the same goes for my home owners and car insurance. It is there if the un-expected should happen.
The insurance comparison is not so easy to fall back on and justify what carry in the wilderness.
I've been playing in the woods since I could remember and I have never had to use a gun to defend myself. I've encounted many bears and moose and managed to scare them off without firing a shot even though I may have had a firearm on me.
I'm 38 years old and have been driving since I was 16. I've been rear-ended by a speeding mustang, t-boned by a tax, I hit the pintel hitch of a big pick-up, had my car pumped severa times while parked, had I lady back into my parked car as I was closing the door and last year my SUV was t-boned by a drunk driver and it totalled my SUV but my family and I were unharmed. The drunk driver didn't have insurance.
So in 22 years of driving I've had many inccidents that required vehicle insurance. I've been playing in the outdoors since I could remember (38 years less a few), and have never had an inccident that required using my "fiream insurance".
I carry a firearm because I like them more than "need them" which is why I'm considering downsizing to reduce weight. Will I have as much fun as I do with my 357 mag as I would carrying the Airweight in 38 sp or even the Airlite 317 in 22 LR?
Anybody know the trigger weight those S&W model 31 revolvers?
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I've been playing in the woods since I could remember and I have never had to use a gun to defend myself. I've encounted many bears and moose and managed to scare them off without firing a shot even though I may have had a firearm on me.
I'm 38 years old and have been driving since I was 16. I've been rear-ended by a speeding mustang, t-boned by a tax, I hit the pintel hitch of a big pick-up, had my car pumped severa times while parked, had I lady back into my parked car as I was closing the door and last year my SUV was t-boned by a drunk driver and it totalled my SUV but my family and I were unharmed. The drunk driver didn't have insurance.
So in 22 years of driving I've had many inccidents that required vehicle insurance. I've been playing in the outdoors since I could remember (38 years less a few), and have never had an inccident that required using my "fiream insurance".
I carry a firearm because I like them more than "need them" which is why I'm considering downsizing to reduce weight. Will I have as much fun as I do with my 357 mag as I would carrying the Airweight in 38 sp or even the Airlite 317 in 22 LR?
Anybody know the trigger weight those S&W model 31 revolvers?
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I'm another fan of the "pocket rocket", I carried a S&W model 60 .38 Special for years. I traded up to a S&W 340 PD in .357 for more power and lighter weight. I like a wheel gun because I use snakeshot in my first two cylinders; down here in Florida there are a lot of poisonous snakes. I don't go out of my way to shoot snakes but sometimes they are too close for comfort.
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All of you guys make very good points. I love the .22 caliber. If I ever get attacked by a 12 pack of Coke or beer cans... I certainly hope to have my Ruger Single Six very close by. 
There seems to be a lot of folks concerned about the weight of their sidearm. I would recommend a good solid belt matched with a holster that fits it (and you) properly. I carry a full size 1911 on occasion, and a S&W 686... both heavy guns... but I don't feel the weight with a good belt/holster rig. Pancake type holsters tend to help distribute the weight of the sidearm across a wider portion of your belt.
Here is an example of a good system IMHO (and a pretty good deal).
http://www.haugenhandgunleather.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=Model35
This is the one I am wearing in my avatar.
http://www.wildbillsconcealment.com/idpa.html
It really does make a huge difference. :thumbup:
There seems to be a lot of folks concerned about the weight of their sidearm. I would recommend a good solid belt matched with a holster that fits it (and you) properly. I carry a full size 1911 on occasion, and a S&W 686... both heavy guns... but I don't feel the weight with a good belt/holster rig. Pancake type holsters tend to help distribute the weight of the sidearm across a wider portion of your belt.
Here is an example of a good system IMHO (and a pretty good deal).
http://www.haugenhandgunleather.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=Model35
This is the one I am wearing in my avatar.
http://www.wildbillsconcealment.com/idpa.html
It really does make a huge difference. :thumbup: