Gut shots. Maybe off topic.

It would be much easier for me to handle if this guy turns out to be a terrorist of foreign origin. The notion of an American doing this to his own is more than I can handle.
 
the fact that he choose this particular moment in our history, with terror and war threatening, would just make you sick if he turned out to be American. Makes you want to beat him before execution. It may not be any comfort to us knowing that insanity is not a nationality.


munk
 
Hope that he commits suicide by cop against a SWAT team that can shoot. And "loses their cool" and continues to shoot til he's bleeping sure not a threat to anyone ever again.
 
Originally posted by Rusty
How about he gets an all female jury.

Drawn from the Mescalero or White Mountain Apaches! Yvsa, feel free to suggest appropriate alternatives, such as Commanchee, etc. After that last message about no-one's kids being safe, a jury of native american moms might be the way to go. Besides, what better place to find impartiality than to try him on and NDN reservation?
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Little Bro there is nothing wrong with the Cherokee Ladies being a jury for this man. We were among the first to get screwed over so have a little lengthier memories than some later tribes, besides we have the "Trail where we cried" behind us as well. The Cherokee weren't any slouches on the Warpath or dispensing punishments when clan law was broken.

Let the Long Hairs take this "sharp shooter" (he ain't no sniper) to the old council house to work their magic. I bet some razor sharp cane slivers through his foreskin and scrotum thereby anchoring him to the center pole would be a good start as to what this bastard has coming.
The next step could be to use the same razor sharp splinters to run through his eyelids and eyebrows so he couldn't close his eyes would maybe open his eyes to just what atrocities he has committed so far.
Women are much more cruel than men when thinking up punishments so anything else is beyond my imagination although what I can think of is pretty bad.
I know that the bastard shouldn't be coddled, but allowed to die slowly, very slowly!!!!
But you can also bet your ass that somewhere there is a bleeding heart liberal willing to take up for him.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :rolleyes:
 
It's pretty damn sad when I must say that a trial would be a mockery. Death by police seems not enough justice. Waiting 20 years to execute him, or as Yvsa suggests, allowing bleeding hearts to place him in a 'facility' both seem terrible. Naturally I want him to be executed if I must put up with a media trial and then the 20 year wait.

The best thing might be death by mob. No, better yet, run over in the road by a motivated citizen while he was drawing a bead on his next victim.

munk
 
believe me when I say that there are more than just a few of us in this area who would use our bare hands if the opportunity presented itself...
 
They think they might have the guy, and if they can prove he is the guy, I can only hope his punishment will follow along the lines Yvsa suggested. This guy needs to "check out" now, but not quickly or mercifully. I think they need to hand the families of his victims some of those steel over wood canes Rusty was talking about, and let them slowly but surely separate his spirit from his body.

Sarge
 
I agree with the concept of no mercy for this scumbag. There are ways to inflict a level of pain that cannot be grasped by most everyday citizens. Our nation will not allow that however, no matter how deserving.

Sadly, I suspect that gun owners will be the next victim of his madness. The drum beat of registration is getting louder and louder. :barf:
 
Sliverfalcon, it would be longer and more painful to beat him with willow branches....might take a hour

Yeppers, ballistic fingerprinting, and how about a new round of storage laws?


munk
 
They may have him (them) -- I hope. The guy they got looks like a turncoat traitor to me and not a real American and the other is Jamaican. Somehow this makes me feel a little better. We'll probably know very soon.
 
into his knees, elbows, spine and cranium? Uh, the gun just sorta went off, and then I noted the clip was empty, so I reloaded it, and dang if it didn't happen again!

WARNING: Next section contains selections of graphic (but historically accurate) torture. Reader disgretion advised.

There is an old viking punishment that would be appropriate. It is called the "Blood Eagle," viking version of the Colombian necktie. With an axe, cut two slits thru the ribcage on either side of the spine, parallel to spine. Then, you reach in and pull the lungs thru the holes, giving him a set of bloody pulsating wings. Subject usually expires shortly after.

If they didn't want to bother with all that, the insulting way to kill someone dishonorable in the viking area and age was to reverse axes (hold on the blade end of the haft) and bludgeon the nithling to death. Then bury face down in a bog (learned from the Celts).

Another few used by Olaf the Slime (i think he's called St. Olaf, after he sold out maorally and religiously)was to take the prisoner, push a tube into the throat, then send a venomous snake innto the tube and throat. He was also partial to putting hot coals on the victim's stomach until the body cavity burst.

Honorable deaths in the viking age included being hanged and stabbed with a spear (consecration to Odin), Beheaded (Quick and painless), strangling or smothering, and drowning.

Old Celtic forms of sacrifice and puinshment were pretty much the same. Make a woven wicker cage, place subject face-down in cage, stomp cage w/ victim into bog.

An old english form of torture involved the subject basically disembowelling themselves. The abdomem was cut open. and the end of the large intestinn tied to a tree. The pain crazed victim was then prodded to walk in a circle around the tree until all of the inntestine was wrapped about the tree.

Just a few of the horrors that man visits upon man. Perhaps we'll grow up some day.

Keith
 
Think again, Uncle:

"The suspects were identified as John Allen Muhammad, 41, a Gulf War Army veteran recognized as an expert marksman, and 17-year-old John Lee Malvo..."

"A Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle, a scope, a tripod and a "sniper platform" was recovered from the suspects' 1990 Chevrolet Caprice, sources said Thursday."

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/24/sniper.shootings/index.html

Of course, McVey was an american too.

Keith
 
These guys will die very soon. Probably at the hands of fellow inmates.

n2s
 
Yes, Ferrous, but he did change his name to Mohammed, and got a less than honorable discharge from the military. He was said to be sympathetic to the terrorists on 9-11.

btw, where were the Vikings that they could find a venomous snake snake?

munk
 
He also reportedly converted to Islam, hence the name change. This disturbs me. Two Pakistani American Citizens, one with a Doctorate and the other with a Masters, have been working for years in our local school system. A few weeks ago one of the denser new people on the staff told her, "Well, I guess I'm supposed to HATE you " ( for being Muslim ).

She called her attorney.

If you knew her you'd automatically wince when you heard of it. My wife told of her once letting off with a blue streak ( very appropriately to the situation ) that would've turned your sailor's ears red, Uncle, shortly before she got her citizenship. Then when she got calmed down, she turned around and said, "I may not be American, but I know the words!" She was assured by the rest of the staff who'd listened that she indeed did know the words and they considered her an American already even if she hadn't gotten the citizenship papers yet.

Their girls would sit for us with our autistic kid a while back ( incidentally my wife wouldn't tell me who the jerk was that said the thing above - she knows me too well to make a mistake like that ).
 
Rusty, I don't know the personalities involved, but I say dumb things all the time. In my younger years, or maybe even yesterday I might have told a muslim person I trusted, "well, I guess I'm supposed to hate you." I am the same guy who if I were a drinking man would have bought the turbaned individual at the restaraunt I sat in a drink. My plan was we should all take a muslim to dinner...but the school system is an entrenched bureacracy and a fairly evil social setting, where strange uptight bureacrats make rules for creative people, and otherwise level headed people behave self rightieously.

I don't call lawyers for things people say to me.

I never called a lawyer in my life until an inbred piplet blocked the road to my house.

to get back to topic, there is a fear going around that the 17 year old will get off as a material witness...then what, report to the local high school to finish his education? "Hi, I'm the new kid, you may have heard of me, I helped my Step father murder a lot of you."

munk
 
I don't call lawyers or the police either. I take care of my problems my own way. As far as the 17 year old, he swings with the other bastard, IMHO.

Semp --
 
Whatever the cause, whatever the reason, whatever the charges may be...

These two things will never receive resitution:

12 lives have now been lost, and a half-million people's lives forever changed.

There is no punishment we can inflict to recompense our loss. We can only stop the perpetrators from returning to their method of crime.

How do you make someone's life change a half-million times and then put him to death 10 times?

Torturing him might sooth our desire for revenge but truly, there is no earthly consequence equal to his crime.

A serial killer does not fear capture and punishment - they wouldn't act if they did. They "know" they can get away with it. There is no law, no constrictive measure, no preventative method to stop serial killing. They are and always will be a part of modern society.
 
Is it me, or do we seem to be hard on honest folks and soft on criminals? "Gun control" is a joke, so is the "War on Drugs". Guns and drugs are inanimate objects, incapable of perpetrating a crime. How about we change it to "Criminal Control" and "War on Criminals", instead of making honest people share the burden of shame by stigmatizing their ownership of a firearm. It all comes down to individual responsibility and accountability. We're responsible to do the right thing, and if we don't we should be held fully accountable. All the convoluted legal defenses come down to nothing more than excuse making. If you maliciously, and with forethought, use a weapon, any weapon, on another human being, and given malice/forethought we can conclude not in self-defense, then by golly bubba, you oughta swing from a rope.

Opposed to capital punishment? Here's another idea. Pockets of the world are plagued by the scourge of land mines. Let's "rehabilitate" our felons by teaching them a new trade and employing them in demining operations that'll let them make a difference for the better.
And, if they get blown up in the process, oh well, they were just called to their final judgement early.

Sarge
 
I think that it a great way to handle the situation, get good out of bad and if they get blown up it's fate isn't it ??

Great thought Sarge !!

B
 
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