Handle Attachement Strength - Using Micarta Pins vs. Steel Pins

Those micarta and G10 pins are way beyond plenty strong. Honestly, in my opinion, pis add strength where it is almost never actually necessary. The glue joint between the handle slabs and the tang is key. After that, adding pins is exponentially increasing strength for absolute abuse over a ridiculously long period of time, like 80 years. The epoxy we use, could most likely hold your handle scales to the tang just fine on their own through some vary serious abuse. A good example of this is a destruction test I did of the Tango a good while back. I used crappy pine handle scales that were only rough shaped and not flat. I attached them to the tang with our epoxy and that was it, no pins. The only other thing I did was loosely wrap some duct tape on the handle for grip. It added nothing to the strength. I destroyed that knife and the only part that survived was the tang, complete with handle. No glue joint popped or anything. You'd be surprised how many knives out there, that no one ever thinks of, have handle scales attached by nothing more than some spots of epoxy and they last for decades. A lot of times, when you see handle scales that have started to come off knives, it has nothing to do with the pins used. It had to do with the epoxy used, cleanliness of the tang during glue-up, the handle material itself breaking down, things like that. As far as the pin material, you could seriously use one or two pins for a GIANT knife, and they could be made of phenolic, wood, steel, and they would be more than enough to facilitate serious use and abuse for decades.

To conclude, I see no difference between using steel pins, brass pins, titanium pins, micarta, G10, fiberglass, etc. They all work just as good and I've used them all. Plus, I've destoryed all of them and see how they hold together. It's pretty incredible. If your Fiddleback fails, it WILL NOT be because of the pin material. In fact, that is the last thing it could possibly be.

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide such a detailed and informative response! This definitely instills a lot of confidence in this design, and has helped me move beyond the "pin" issue. This thread has been a good education for me overall. Sometimes I tend to worry more about the "bombproof" nature of a knife vs. the functionality and doing the job it was intended to perform. The more I ask questions and get good input from knife enthusiasts with much more experience than me, and even knife makers, the more I learn what is important to look for in a knife.

Thanks again for all the helpful responses!
 
I'd like to inject here to say that my knives aren't bombproof. They aren't intended to be.
 
You destroyed a Tango?? Shame on you. Next time just let the knife come my way!
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I'd like to inject here to say that my knives aren't bombproof. They aren't intended to be.

And that's really a good thing - bomb proof knives don't tend to cut very well. I'm not much for sharpened prybars, at least not for for woods/bushcraft knives...

Now, I for one really use my knives, and don't hold back when I do. If my 4" knife is all I have on me, I'll do some light chopping with it, maybe to make a baton, and of course I will do plenty of batoning when needed. I don't really stop to consider if I'm processing hardwood or soft, and I don't want to worry about knotholes doing damage to my knife when I'm doing so. If my knife gets stuck in a branch I'm batoning, I hit the handle to break it loose, and keep going. That being said, I do NOT baton into or directly over the ground, drop my blades in the dirt, or punch through metal, or chop concrete, or baton with a sledgehammer, or any other such nonsense that amounts to nothing but pure abuse of a knife.

I am willing to pay a lot more for a knife - even with the same steel as a much cheaper one - to get not only a great heat treat, geometry and grind, and handle comfort, but also to get a robust knife I can trust to use hard. Some may baby a knife they paid a lot for, but I use it hard and thoroughly enjoy doing so, because I should be able to trust it.

That is the reason for this thread, to help me understand that using micarta vs. steel does nothing to reduce the overall strength of a knife handle. To me it just seemed intuitive that steel would be stronger than micarta for securing handles. I've since been educated that it's really more about the epoxy/glue and process used than the pins. This is great to know, and I now have confidence in knives with these types of handles.
 
You destroyed a Tango?? Shame on you. Next time just let the knife come my way!
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You think that's bad. You'd cry if you knew some of the knives I've destroyed during testing. It's the only way I can not only see what they can really take. Plus it gives me a chance to look at a lot inside the knife.
 
I saw Dylan test that giant bowie with the recurve. He chopped, batonned, drilled, etc with that knife. It didn't fail. That tip was ground thin too. I have batonned 3/32" scandi Nessmuks. They've not failed. I once saw Dylan baton one of his knives through a chinese SS folder blade edge to edge. The 01 was dinged, but the blade held, and the other blade was halved. This is why we like 01. This is why we warrant 01.
 
Can someone help me . I'm new to knife making and i was reading this thread and it made me think of it . When u buy already cut out micarta slabs to use for scales they come hard and shinny on the front and back or polished like. Are u supposed to remove that hard surface and get down to the matte micarta before epoxying them to the tang ? I sanded it down to matte micarta on the show side but didn't on the tang side and I'm curious if your supposed to or if the epoxy doesnt hold as good to that slick surface . Thx
 
Can someone help me . I'm new to knife making and i was reading this thread and it made me think of it . When u buy already cut out micarta slabs to use for scales they come hard and shinny on the front and back or polished like. Are u supposed to remove that hard surface and get down to the matte micarta before epoxying them to the tang ? I sanded it down to matte micarta on the show side but didn't on the tang side and I'm curious if your supposed to or if the epoxy doesnt hold as good to that slick surface . Thx
You should make sure the side touching the metal is flat.
We have a large marble stone as a flat surface & we use spray adhesive to attach 60 grit sand paper to it.
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It's a good idea to take a wax marker to the tang side & make a "X" and a straight line along the top & sides on the side you wish to flatten. It will look like a box w/ a "X" in the middle. This helps make sure you do not favor one area more than the other. It also helps to make sure you don't miss any high spots.

Go in a clockwise or counter clockwise motion, don't do straight back and forth.
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