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The "unknown far eastern sword" mentioned earlier is a piece from the Visayan Islands in the Phillipines.
Just putting key words into the search box on eBay will open the doors you need. All it takes is time, a little effort and a very wary eye.
Just putting key words into the search box on eBay will open the doors you need. All it takes is time, a little effort and a very wary eye.
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Every now and then I'll get a phone call from somebody wanting to buy a Gurkha. I tell them if they go to Nepal they might be able to rent a retired one but doubt if they can find one for sale. Of course, this really confuses the issue but I can't resist.
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Beoram,
I took a peek at the Bolo/Indonesian? blade you posted.... that is an interesting sheath (the knife is nice looking too
) .
The handle looks like somebody did a bad schillac finish on it though... but it still is an interesting knife.
I don't know much, but I'd say it was a bolo... the blade shape just reminds me of one.
Cheers
Alan
I took a peek at the Bolo/Indonesian? blade you posted.... that is an interesting sheath (the knife is nice looking too
) .The handle looks like somebody did a bad schillac finish on it though... but it still is an interesting knife.
I don't know much, but I'd say it was a bolo... the blade shape just reminds me of one.
Cheers
Alan
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I don't think I was bidding against you, was I? drp64 & reinchen(the latter is in Deutschland) are the 2 people I seem to end up bidding against - no idea if either of them is on this board. I've seen Berk on eBay, but I don't think I've bid against him either--not seriously anyway
. B.Beoram --
That sword you're bidding on is indeed Filipino, Visayan to be specific and probably Panay Island to be even more specific. It's called a 'Sanduko Bolo.' I have one and I must say, somewhat immodestly, that it's the best carved one of these I've seen:
Not only is the carving nice, but the blade is quite stout and the overall weight and balance are excellent. A really good weapon.
This is the kind of thing that would have been used by Catholic Filipinos against Federico's beloved Moros.
That sword you're bidding on is indeed Filipino, Visayan to be specific and probably Panay Island to be even more specific. It's called a 'Sanduko Bolo.' I have one and I must say, somewhat immodestly, that it's the best carved one of these I've seen:
Not only is the carving nice, but the blade is quite stout and the overall weight and balance are excellent. A really good weapon.
This is the kind of thing that would have been used by Catholic Filipinos against Federico's beloved Moros.
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Beoram, I was just kidding. Bid away.
My wife is (temporarily, I hope) out of work, so I am financially strapped for the rest of the year.
I may try to "steal" a cheapie, but I am out of contention for any really nice khuks.
Besides, I need to try to save up for an HI M43.
If any really nice ones appear, the billionaires like JP always outbid me anyway!
--Mike L.
My wife is (temporarily, I hope) out of work, so I am financially strapped for the rest of the year.
I may try to "steal" a cheapie, but I am out of contention for any really nice khuks.
Besides, I need to try to save up for an HI M43.
If any really nice ones appear, the billionaires like JP always outbid me anyway!
--Mike L.
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Ruel did you have that one up here at the Catoosa Chonvention?
You had so many absolutely beautiful blades I can't recall?
I still sit quietly and slobber every time I think of that Beautiful Keris and the wide bladed Sword with the watered steel blade you brought up here!!!!!!! *IF* you ever have to get rid of those two blades please contact me first. I may not be able to afford them, but I would offer the same deal I did with the other
ones.
That is when you get back to where you're able I will let you have them back at the same price I gave you for them...... Can't beat a deal like that!!!!!!
I don't feel that I really *own* blades such as those anyway, they're just in my possesion for a while....
And I feel that way about the Keris I have in my possesion.
I've just been fortunate to have had them as long as I have!!!!!!!
You had so many absolutely beautiful blades I can't recall?
I still sit quietly and slobber every time I think of that Beautiful Keris and the wide bladed Sword with the watered steel blade you brought up here!!!!!!! *IF* you ever have to get rid of those two blades please contact me first. I may not be able to afford them, but I would offer the same deal I did with the other
ones.
That is when you get back to where you're able I will let you have them back at the same price I gave you for them...... Can't beat a deal like that!!!!!!
I don't feel that I really *own* blades such as those anyway, they're just in my possesion for a while....
And I feel that way about the Keris I have in my possesion.
I've just been fortunate to have had them as long as I have!!!!!!!
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Thanks for good pix and input.
Hi Yvsa,
1. You mean this thing?
Actually, I was thinking that the next time there's a Khonvention I might leave it with you to make a wooden model. I really believe that this thing, sans the weird pommel and guard, would make an excellent sword. Plus, since it's generally similar to the Khukuri anyway, the kamis should have no problem doing it. They might even like it!
2. You really ought to think about carving keris hilts yourself! After seeing the fantastic work on your flutes, I definitely think you're capable of matching the work on my Balinese keris. Or even better, you could make some Native American ball-headed clubs...
3. "I don't feel that I really *own* blades such as those anyway, they're just in my possesion for a while..."
That's what the Javanese say about their kerisses too -- you "borrow" one, never buy it. I also feel that way about my weapons, as well as other things like my library and fossil collection. We're all just passing through!
1. You mean this thing?
Actually, I was thinking that the next time there's a Khonvention I might leave it with you to make a wooden model. I really believe that this thing, sans the weird pommel and guard, would make an excellent sword. Plus, since it's generally similar to the Khukuri anyway, the kamis should have no problem doing it. They might even like it!
2. You really ought to think about carving keris hilts yourself! After seeing the fantastic work on your flutes, I definitely think you're capable of matching the work on my Balinese keris. Or even better, you could make some Native American ball-headed clubs...
3. "I don't feel that I really *own* blades such as those anyway, they're just in my possesion for a while..."
That's what the Javanese say about their kerisses too -- you "borrow" one, never buy it. I also feel that way about my weapons, as well as other things like my library and fossil collection. We're all just passing through!
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Thanks, Ruel. I remember those beautiful examples at Catoosa.
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Ruel although I admired that particular one the one I'm thinking of has the fairly wide straight fullered blade without much of a point it seems, more of a slashing point instead of a stabbing one. It was also quite a bit larger than this one.
Do you perchance have a pic of it as well? Please??? Please????
Do you perchance have a pic of it as well? Please??? Please????
This one, maybe -- a Rajput kirach?
Those two swords are 'brothers' in a sense, since I got them together. And to belabor the family analogy, I guess they're both like cousins of the Khukuri, since they're single-edged and down-curving, and from the general Indian subcontinent area.
Those two swords are 'brothers' in a sense, since I got them together. And to belabor the family analogy, I guess they're both like cousins of the Khukuri, since they're single-edged and down-curving, and from the general Indian subcontinent area.
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Ruel,
Your curved sword (first one) looks very much like what I envisioned with the elongated UBE "two handed" khuk project/idea I was thinking about. I don't know if I'll get my rotary tool for Xmas or not... depends how things shake out money wise. I still want to make a model and send it off to the kamis.
Alan
Your curved sword (first one) looks very much like what I envisioned with the elongated UBE "two handed" khuk project/idea I was thinking about. I don't know if I'll get my rotary tool for Xmas or not... depends how things shake out money wise. I still want to make a model and send it off to the kamis.
Alan
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More models coming?
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
Models! Oh wait, I'm confused again, are we talking weapons or women?
Alan, I noticed the general similaritiy of my "Nayar temple sword" with the UBE too. Mine, though, is weighted for one hand use. As you can see, it bellies up quite a bit about halfway down the length of the blade. Plus, the cross-sectional geometry is different -- it's much thinner, and there's a medial ridge (which you can see in the photos), giving it almost a flattened diamond section.
It was much lighter than the Yvsa's Janawar Katne, though they were about the same length IIRC. The weapon I envision of the Nayar without the strange hilt would be a light, single-handed slasher, much faster than a big Khukuri 2-hander but conversely much weaker in pure cutting power.
Here's hoping you get your tools!
Oh wait, I'm confused again, are we talking weapons or women? Alan, I noticed the general similaritiy of my "Nayar temple sword" with the UBE too. Mine, though, is weighted for one hand use. As you can see, it bellies up quite a bit about halfway down the length of the blade. Plus, the cross-sectional geometry is different -- it's much thinner, and there's a medial ridge (which you can see in the photos), giving it almost a flattened diamond section.
It was much lighter than the Yvsa's Janawar Katne, though they were about the same length IIRC. The weapon I envision of the Nayar without the strange hilt would be a light, single-handed slasher, much faster than a big Khukuri 2-hander but conversely much weaker in pure cutting power.
Here's hoping you get your tools!
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Ruel that must be it. It's been long enough that my memory doesn't completely recall the blade, but it does recall the beautiful watered steel finish it has!!!!!!
Such a finish is what I have always envisioned the old Persian Weapons to have versus the fine grained Wootz I have seen.
It also seems that I read that the true Wootz doen't require etching to bring the watering out, just a good polish.
The finish is all the way through the Wootz material and is achieved through the forgeing and heating temperatures, but I don't know for certain.
I once read a book about the Far East that I can hardly recall except the author's view on the invention of the Wootz.
The story went that an apprentice that almost continually screwing up was filling a clay crucible with the material to smelt down to make a certain knife or other tool/weapon.
For some odd reason the apprentice without thinking put some scrap leather in the pot along with the other materials.
During the smelting process where the clay crucible was heated beyond white hot the leather scraps turned into carbon in the almost airless chamber.
The carbon of course combined with the iron and other allying agents and the result was a lump of unknown material that looked similar to the steel that usually came out of the
crucibles.
The Smith was apprehensive but forged a knife blade anyway. The final result was a Damascus Watered Steel Blade. The Smith was surprised and overjoyed at the performance of this strange material. The blade would double back on itself without breaking or taking a set and yet would slice the plain iron like no other
steel.
The funny strange thing then was that the Smith was wanting to know exactly what the apprentice had done when he 'screwed' up the batch of steel.
After a couple of trial and errors they finally figured out the secret and the birth of the famous watered steel came about.
And the story is almost as much of a memory as the movie, "The Black Rose" where the Scimitar was used to cut the silk scarf in two.
I think most of us that have a love of cold steel blades aquired that love when we were all very young.
Perhaps it's just a 'thing' with young boys or perhaps it's an old warrior's spirit calling out to us from within.
No matter the root cause the love is strong and enduring.........
Such a finish is what I have always envisioned the old Persian Weapons to have versus the fine grained Wootz I have seen.
It also seems that I read that the true Wootz doen't require etching to bring the watering out, just a good polish.
The finish is all the way through the Wootz material and is achieved through the forgeing and heating temperatures, but I don't know for certain.
I once read a book about the Far East that I can hardly recall except the author's view on the invention of the Wootz.
The story went that an apprentice that almost continually screwing up was filling a clay crucible with the material to smelt down to make a certain knife or other tool/weapon.
For some odd reason the apprentice without thinking put some scrap leather in the pot along with the other materials.
During the smelting process where the clay crucible was heated beyond white hot the leather scraps turned into carbon in the almost airless chamber.
The carbon of course combined with the iron and other allying agents and the result was a lump of unknown material that looked similar to the steel that usually came out of the
crucibles.
The Smith was apprehensive but forged a knife blade anyway. The final result was a Damascus Watered Steel Blade. The Smith was surprised and overjoyed at the performance of this strange material. The blade would double back on itself without breaking or taking a set and yet would slice the plain iron like no other
steel.
The funny strange thing then was that the Smith was wanting to know exactly what the apprentice had done when he 'screwed' up the batch of steel.
After a couple of trial and errors they finally figured out the secret and the birth of the famous watered steel came about.
And the story is almost as much of a memory as the movie, "The Black Rose" where the Scimitar was used to cut the silk scarf in two.
I think most of us that have a love of cold steel blades aquired that love when we were all very young.
Perhaps it's just a 'thing' with young boys or perhaps it's an old warrior's spirit calling out to us from within.
No matter the root cause the love is strong and enduring.........