Hard flipper action 560

dodgeem33

dodgeem33

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I recently picked up a 560 and the flipper action seems a bit stiff to the point where I am grinding against the jimping just to open the knife, is this normal? Will it work in? I've got a tile where the detent is much less.
 
Normal, try flipping down instead of in. Don't push the flipper into the handle, rather, flick it in a downward motion so you avoid the jimping.
 
yeah think of the flipper as a lever and not a button. And IMHO just like how Microtech OTF knives are hard on your thumb, after a while you will build your dexterity, strength and your skin will thicken. Now I wish I hadnt done the mods I did to mine. Seems everyone got a stiff detent except mine. Mine flips fine but Id love it if the detent was a little more stiff. Thats all good though. Gives me an excuse to get a 0561
 
I'm getting used to it but I was more wondering is it normal? I really don't have too much of a problem with it I am just curious.
 
strider214 said:
Probably a dumb question but did you adjust the pivot?
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Any knife with a true bearing or bushing system (in this case KVT), pivot tightness makes zero difference. The blade in the handle is riding on ball bearings and not washers. Very little friction in KVT vs traditional washers made of Nylatron or PB. I suspect that in this case, he might be pressing the lockbar in while not operating the flipper correctly. This appears to be the most common problem, and the knife is always blamed. :D
 
RevDevil said:
Any knife with a true bearing or bushing system (in this case KVT), pivot tightness makes zero difference. The blade in the handle is riding on ball bearings and not washers. Very little friction in KVT vs traditional washers made of Nylatron or PB. I suspect that in this case, he might be pressing the lockbar in while not operating the flipper correctly. This appears to be the most common problem, and the knife is always blamed. :D
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Roller brg. inthis case...no bushing like the Reeve and it would be possible to over tighten (IMO).
 
Operating properly, even if I just open it with two hands I can hear the click when it breaks the detent. Like I said no big deal , I was just wondering if they were all like that
 
Hi.

In response to your question, NO this is not normal. It may be normal for this particular knife, but this particular knife itself is not normal or representative of other flippers.

IMO, the detent on this knife is totally unacceptable. And that is being kind - because the words I really want to use would be deemed inappropriate here. If I ever have a beer with you, say at the Blade Show, I will tell you what I REALLY think of it. I own a real XM-18 - which is a terrific knife and which flips open exactly as a flipper should. It does not have the detent problems that this knife has. And yes, I read Thomas' thread which was mentioned earlier. It is nothing but sugar coating. The XM-18 is "living proof" that this ridiculous detent was totally unnecessary and is nothing but a mistake by the manufacturer. IMO, it is a major flaw which ruins what would otherwise be a decent knife.

Wha is worse are all of the posts I have read here and elsewhere by folks who bought this knife who had never owned a flipper before, and based on this knife have now come to the conclusion that flipper knives are not for them. That is sad, because IMO this knife is a very bad representation of what the action of a flipper knife should be because the detent is just too pronounced. And I do not accept the comparion to the Microtech OTF knives because I own one of those, too and it is far easier to operate than the flipper action on this knife.

I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
 
The Virginian said:
Hi.

In response to your question, NO this is not normal. It may be normal for this particular knife, but this particular knife itself is not normal or representative of other flippers.

IMO, the detent on this knife is totally unacceptable. And that is being kind - because the words I really want to use would be deemed inappropriate here. If I ever have a beer with you, say at the Blade Show, I will tell you what I REALLY think of it. I own a real XM-18 - which is a terrific knife and which flips open exactly as a flipper should. It does not have the detent problems that this knife has. And yes, I read Thomas' thread which was mentioned earlier. It is nothing but sugar coating. The XM-18 is "living proof" that this ridiculous detent was totally unnecessary and is nothing but a mistake by the manufacturer. IMO, it is a major flaw which ruins what would otherwise be a decent knife.

Wha is worse are all of the posts I have read here and elsewhere by folks who bought this knife who had never owned a flipper before, and based on this knife have now come to the conclusion that flipper knives are not for them. That is sad, because IMO this knife is a very bad representation of what the action of a flipper knife should be because the detent is just too pronounced. And I do not accept the comparion to the Microtech OTF knives because I own one of those, too and it is far easier to operate than the flipper action on this knife.

I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
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You've been drinking alcohol haven't you?
 
Not very good alcohol at that. Maybe some Haterade is what was imbibed.
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The Virginian said:
Hi.

In response to your question, NO this is not normal. It may be normal for this particular knife, but this particular knife itself is not normal or representative of other flippers.

IMO, the detent on this knife is totally unacceptable. And that is being kind - because the words I really want to use would be deemed inappropriate here. If I ever have a beer with you, say at the Blade Show, I will tell you what I REALLY think of it. I own a real XM-18 - which is a terrific knife and which flips open exactly as a flipper should. It does not have the detent problems that this knife has. And yes, I read Thomas' thread which was mentioned earlier. It is nothing but sugar coating. The XM-18 is "living proof" that this ridiculous detent was totally unnecessary and is nothing but a mistake by the manufacturer. IMO, it is a major flaw which ruins what would otherwise be a decent knife.

Wha is worse are all of the posts I have read here and elsewhere by folks who bought this knife who had never owned a flipper before, and based on this knife have now come to the conclusion that flipper knives are not for them. That is sad, because IMO this knife is a very bad representation of what the action of a flipper knife should be because the detent is just too pronounced. And I do not accept the comparion to the Microtech OTF knives because I own one of those, too and it is far easier to operate than the flipper action on this knife.

I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
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You could not be more wrong.

I have a 561 and it's pure sweetness....I have owned many XM18's and still have a couple laying around....i also own a few other flippers ;)

Oh and Mt's are not made to be used....there made to be kept in the safe with the blade "open" so you might wanna use another for comparion ;)
 
The Virginian said:
I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
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This pretty much summarizes my response to your post.

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The Virginian said:
Hi.

In response to your question, NO this is not normal. It may be normal for this particular knife, but this particular knife itself is not normal or representative of other flippers.

IMO, the detent on this knife is totally unacceptable. And that is being kind - because the words I really want to use would be deemed inappropriate here. If I ever have a beer with you, say at the Blade Show, I will tell you what I REALLY think of it. I own a real XM-18 - which is a terrific knife and which flips open exactly as a flipper should. It does not have the detent problems that this knife has. And yes, I read Thomas' thread which was mentioned earlier. It is nothing but sugar coating. The XM-18 is "living proof" that this ridiculous detent was totally unnecessary and is nothing but a mistake by the manufacturer. IMO, it is a major flaw which ruins what would otherwise be a decent knife.

Wha is worse are all of the posts I have read here and elsewhere by folks who bought this knife who had never owned a flipper before, and based on this knife have now come to the conclusion that flipper knives are not for them. That is sad, because IMO this knife is a very bad representation of what the action of a flipper knife should be because the detent is just too pronounced. And I do not accept the comparion to the Microtech OTF knives because I own one of those, too and it is far easier to operate than the flipper action on this knife.

I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
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The Virginian said:
I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
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I can handle the odd mispelled word, but that double negative is over the line.
I myself own an XM-18, and an XM-24, and frankly my good man, I cannot understand what on Earth you are going on about.
 
The Virginian said:
Hi.


IMO, the detent on this knife is totally unacceptable. And that is being kind - because the words I really want to use would be deemed inappropriate here. If I ever have a beer with you, say at the Blade Show, I will tell you what I REALLY think of it. I own a real XM-18 - which is a terrific knife and which flips open exactly as a flipper should. It does not have the detent problems that this knife has. And yes, I read Thomas' thread which was mentioned earlier. It is nothing but sugar coating. The XM-18 is "living proof" that this ridiculous detent was totally unnecessary and is nothing but a mistake by the manufacturer.

I am planning to post a review of this knife at BF in the next couple of days, but in the General Knife forum, not in this forum as I do not believe that the hosts of this forum would not appreciate me using their forum for my review.
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I'm sure Thomas and the other folks at Kershaw, can't wait to hear your opinion. Obviously you have far more expertise in knife making than they do. Hopefully they will consult you before they produce any other new models. It would surely save them from making anymore mistakes in the future
 
Lol I can flip my 560 perfect. I'd rather have a stronger detent on a knife as buttery smooth as this so it dosent fillet my leg if I snag it open.
 
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