"Hard Use Knife" -Again

[Shorttime]

So we all have an idea of what a "hard use knife" is, but there seems to be a bit of difference in opinion when it comes to specifics.

I'm going to throw the question out there, but with an important difference.

Blade must be 3" or less, since that makes it legal for most places.
Stainless or coated blade
Standard stones for sharpening (not so hard that you need diamond or ceramic)
Tip, blade, edge, pivot pin, and lock mechanism must withstand continous application of at least 200 lbs of twisting and prying force, and momentary, but repeated, force of 500 lbs, as would be applied to the spine during batoning.
Price must be less than $80, since at that price, you can use it without worrying too much about losing it.
Must have a wide pocket clip, and the larger the clip is in every direction, the better.

Handle materials, assisted opening, serrations, are not important.
Suggestions?

 

[Ankerson]

CS Mini Lawman

 

[marcinek]

Seriously...isn't there a more appropriate tool for the job you are planning on doing? You want the knife to make cappuccino and take the kids to school, too?

At the very least, get yourself a fixed blade.

 

[bada61265]

Seriously...isn't there a more appropriate tool for the job you are planning on doing? You want the knife to make cappuccino and take the kids to school, too?

At the very least, get yourself a fixed blade.

+1 have to think too that your confusing cutting tools with a prybar or splitting wedge/

 

[ShooterMcgavin]

So we all have an idea of what a "hard use knife" is, but there seems to be a bit of difference in opinion when it comes to specifics.
...
Suggestions?

Putting 200 lbs onto the tip is not too tough - I'm not sure about twisting or prying at the same time. If the medium holding the tip is soft wood, then that's one thing. If the tip is inserted into a metal door-frame gap, that's entirely different.

Off the top of my head, the first I'd suggest would be the CS Voyager, because it meets your max length requirement. The CS Mini Lawman is another one. Not sure about others. I don't do liner locks, but I am sure there are a lot out there in this category.

 

[Presumed_Lost]

Mares eat oats and does eat oats, but little lambs eat ivy...

 

[P1GEONPOO]

+1 for whatever Ankerson says.

 

[RevDevil]

You seriously need a prybar, if you are going to do a job, why not do it correctly and with the appropriate tools?

 

[jimnolimit]

CS Mini Lawman

+1. In the OP's price range, it's probably the best choice.

 

[stabman]

I don't see what possible use of a 3" blade would result in 500 pounds of force in any direction.
Unless OP is a hyper-intelligent male Silverback Gorilla.

 

[jimnolimit]

You seriously need a prybar, if you are going to do a job, why not do it correctly and with the appropriate tools?

He should look into a pocket prybar, like the http://www.countycomm.com/widgy.html

 

[EK20]

Seriously...isn't there a more appropriate tool for the job you are planning on doing? You want the knife to make cappuccino and take the kids to school, too?

At the very least, get yourself a fixed blade.

+2

I can't understand why people look to folders for this sort of work.

 

[marcinek]

+2

I can't understand why people look to folders for this sort of work.

Or knives at all, for that matter. I realize that in a pinch, when you have no choice, you might need to pry with your blade, or screw in a screw, or split wood, etc etc etc, but if you are full well expecting to do those tasks...why not have the right tool?

A little pry bar ain't that big or that heavy to have on you when you are expecting to pry. You don't need a tire iron.

And just for the sake of argument, you are in the woods, batonning away with your folder, and it breaks. Then what? No what are you gonna do? Go to your backup hatchet?

 

[stabman]

And just for the sake of argument, you are in the woods, batonning away with your folder, and it breaks. Then what? No what are you gonna do?

Grab the blade like one would a sharp piece of flint?
Afix it to a stick with some cordage (could be shoelace even).
There's always a way to get around things.

 

[marcinek]

Afix it to a stick with some cordage (could be shoelace even).
There's always a way to get around things.

Now how's your shoe gonna stay on?

 

[stabman]

Now how's your shoe gonna stay on?

Tree roots of course.

 

[marcinek]

Blade must be 3" or less, since that makes it legal for most places....

Tip, blade, edge, pivot pin, and lock mechanism must withstand continous application of at least 200 lbs of twisting and prying force, and momentary, but repeated, force of 500 lbs, as would be applied to the spine during batoning.

Wait. Batonning with a sub 3 inch blade? Couldn't you just make a fuzz stick? And do you need to exert 500 lbs of force to baton something that can be batonned with a sub 3 inch blade?

 

[marcinek]

Tree roots of course.

Sure...but how are you gonna cut them?

 

[stabman]

Wait. Batonning with a sub 3 inch blade?

Exactly.
He isn't going to generate 500 pounds of force when batonning through 1-1.5" sticks.

 

[stabman]

Sure...but how are you gonna cut them?

I'll do it the Canadian way and imitate the noble beaver...I'll use my teeth.

Hey, now I get why all the paracord lanyards on "hard use" folders...it's so you can lash the blade to a stick after you break the knife!