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"Hard Use Knife" -Again

And furthermore, you don't need to stress the pivot pin or lock on a folder to baton with it. You can baton with a slipjoint using the correct technique (which, by the way, is the same technique for any batonning....tip down.)
 
At the moment I choose between several things

Mainly, a heavy kephart - 4 1/2" spearpoint blade, flatground in 5mm D2. I might like to get one made up in 3V one day

or

A knighton billhook. 5mm convex O1 ( I think it is O1)

Like I say, I got lots to choose from. But since the arrival of the kep, I think I might set about making the choices rather fewer :D
 
stabman said:
I'll do it the Canadian way and imitate the noble beaver...I'll use my teeth.;)
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Well if you can break down the wood with your teeth, then batonning wodd with the folder was sheer pointlessness! And you broke you folder to boot.

Now you are in a survival situation. You know what you gotta do now? Drink your own pee, then walk over to your car and drive home.
 
Yea, I'm not sure that I would recommend a folder for any of the use that you are talking about. And I wouldn't recommend a knife for some of the other uses.

I would actually go with an ESEE Izula with those requirements. The BK11 or BK14 would also be capable of things like that (within reason) but are a bit out of the size range you gave us. Anyway, I would trust any of these blades farther than pretty much any folder, and they are still small enough you can carry them in your pocket if you need to.

Also, personally I don't feel that batoning (within reason) is abuse, but that prying generally is.

Look into a mini prybar if you're interested, they're pretty handy.
 
seriously big shooter, if you're going to use this 3" blade for all of this, you may want to look into a fixed blade... and a pry bar.
 
marcinek said:
Now you are in a survival situation. You know what you gotta do now? Drink your own pee, then walk over to your car and drive home.
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:D Or make a call...
It's not that easy to get into survival situation these days. You have to be either very unlucky, or extremely stupid.
So what is the point carrying around a brick-size folder which can not even cut well... Do you feel so unlucky today...? ;)
 
Thank you. Hilarious!

That was 200 pounds applied longitudinal torque, and 200 pounds applied lateral torque. If you want to convert it into joules, pounds per square inch or Newtons, be my guest!

I did get called a gorilla by one of the office guys the other day.

If you think my assessment of the forces involved is excessive, you're probably right. But it would be hard to actually say how much force you put on a knife when you use it for a "gotta get it done" job, because your height, weight, blade length, and the physical properties of the opposing material mean that you could never test all the possible combinations.

We all exert lateral force on our knives, whether we pry or dig with them, and even if you never baton it through something, the blade lock does get "shock loaded". I had a very small, and inexpensive, knife bust on me after a two foot drop onto a concrete floor.

Instead of contributing to the discussion of my family origins, I'll phrase the question this way:

Are there specifications for the amount of lateral, torsional, and shock loading that folding knives will withstand before failure? And if not, maybe there should be.....

(The pic of a prybar was funny as hell.)
 
Oh yeah, and my job absolutely prohibits fixed blades of any length on the property, and folders only if they are under 3" blade length.

These also seem to be concensus for a lot of LE across the country: if it's a 3" folder, you walk. If it's fixed blade, or +3" blade length, you get to make an extra contribution to the police budget for that year, and maybe a ride in a cruiser if the officer is having a really bad day.
 
Another ditto to Jim Ankerson's recommendation of the Cold Steel Mini American Lawman, plus the recommendation of a mini prybar to save the knife blade from needless abuse. I usually pry with the wide screwdriver blade on my SAK that I typically carry in back pocket, never with a knife blade. The Tinker/Spartan have sub-3" main blades and a bunch of other valuable tools that nicely complement the one-handed locking folder I carry to cut stuff.
 
I carry a small gerber artifact pocket prybar multi tool'esq and have used it to pop the locks on office cabinets. I'm sure I could have pryed it open with my recon(too big whatever) but why jack the knife when it's completely avoidable.
 
Shorttime said:
Oh yeah, and my job absolutely prohibits fixed blades of any length on the property, and folders only if they are under 3" blade length.
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What are you batonning at work? And if you are batonning (or prying), then have them supply you with the proper tool.
 
Ah. So if somebody logs onto this forum and starts a thread wanting to know what "hard use" or "heavy use" or "heavy duty" folding knife they should get, the forum community should recommend they actually get

1) A folding knife for light cutting
2) A prybar for prying
3) A small hatchet so they don't have to abuse their knife
4) A fixed blade for heavier cutting
5) And maybe a coffeemaker, ya know, just in case?

I will definately give the Cold Steel Mini Lawman a look, thank you.
 
Oftimes, on forums, you don't get the answer you like or expect. It's how it works when you ask people's opinions.

And yes, those 5 are realistic, sensible, functionally efficient choices for those tasks.
 
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